This conversation has always been muddled by the fact that the history and law around "copyright" has always been very muddled, and the begging question of if "copyright" is even a good thing or services its presumed purpose.

Independent of AI, we should all be considering if we even agree with the modern notion of copyright.

A reminder of an older time, but very much worth the watch..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhBpI13dxkI

Twelve paragraphs in, and you still haven’t made your argument?

Are the AI companies at odds with copyright laws when they train new models? I think, yes.

Ah, because it’s a bullshit opinion piece being presented as fact, that makes sense.

It doesn’t matter.

The ultimate utility of the ai and the threat that it poses if the west falls behind in ai research, is too great to allow copyright laws to get in the way.

So either they’ll say that the law doesn’t apply or they’ll make new laws.

Pandora’s box has been opened and we can’t go back.

The article never actually answers it's own question. I think the courts will eventually find gen AI transformative, like it has done with all forms of AI trained on public facing data before it.

Yes, but the real issue is the egregious violation of personal privacy, especially for cases like Meta’s glasses.

any copyrighted work must be given (copied) to the AI company to be injested

if that transaction is not sanctioned (licensed) by the copyright owner it is an infringement

as for social media content, i think we sign our rights away when we sign up for them, but they are subject to copyright by Meta or whoever

Thought experiment: What if it an extremely intelligent person memorised every Metallica song on a free Spotify account, down to every small detail. Later that person writes a new song, it's heavily inspired by Metallica, it sounds like them, you might even mistake it for them except for the vocals, but the lyrics are new, the chords are new, etc. Did that person then violate copyright, even though it's a completely new song?

I know the AI techbros are just scraping every datapoint they can get their grubby little hands on, but it makes me think.

Imagine for a sec that all that AI buzz and hype leads to something that is indistinguishable from that extremely intelligent person (however unlikely).

We're not anywhere close to a scenario like that, but at what point is a regular artist that spent their youth listening to Britney Spears violating copyright law, philosophically speaking, when they decide they want to make music like that?

Penny for your thoughts.

How is this a violation of copyright law but not outright theft?