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Cyprus has outstripped all other EU member states in embracing hot-water solar systems, with an estimated 93.5 % of households exploiting the alternative energy form for domestic needs.

The solar thermal systems not only collected solar energy as heat – usually generated through electricity and the burning of fossil fuels – they were extremely cost-effective and had helped spawn an entire industry, he explains.

“It’s been great for low-income families and then there’s the jobs: so many have been generated,” the MP says. “There are the local manufacturers who produce the parts and then all the people who are trained to install them. It’s big business.”

In his role as environment commissioner, Theopemptou pushed hard to make the solar systems obligatory on all newly constructed residential and commercial buildings – a move instituted by Israel back in the 1970s.

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[-] sxan@midwest.social 6 points 1 day ago

Decades ago, there was a small, local company named Copper Cricket in Oregon that sold and installed rooftop solar water heaters which worked really well - despite the fact that the Willamette Valley, where most of the population lives, got something like only 3 months worth of cloudless days peer year (July, the month with the fewest cloudy days, has an average 40% cloud cover during the month).

This is pre-internet history, and I'm unable to find references, but when the company went out of business the rumor going around was that power companies were funding zoning lawsuits against Copper Cricket, and this eventually shut the company down.

[-] alyaza@beehaw.org 2 points 1 day ago

This is pre-internet history, and I’m unable to find references, but when the company went out of business the rumor going around was that power companies were funding zoning lawsuits against Copper Cricket, and this eventually shut the company down.

sounds very plausible--zoning is awful and a perfect place to do concern trolling bullshit like that if you know your way around what's allowed and what's not.

[-] RagingHungryPanda@lemm.ee 10 points 2 days ago

I see these things all over Latin America and stayed at a bunch of places that have them. It can get SUPER hot. The cool thing about them is that the pipes that heat the water are vacuum sealed and don't heat the water directly. I forget the exact mechanics of it, but it pretty much doesn't matter what the temperature is. It can take that solar energy and add it to water.

[-] sanzky@beehaw.org 8 points 2 days ago

I think they heat a refrigerant and then use a heat exchanger to transfer that heat to the water.

[-] sanzky@beehaw.org 6 points 2 days ago

I would love to see numbers on how they compare against solar panels+ air source heat pump. I guess the solar heater is cheaper, but I would guess photovoltaic+heat pump probably is more efficient all around and it useful for all your home, not just water.

[-] NeuronautML@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

From the point of view of efficiency, solar heaters beat pv. With pv you need to convert the sun's energy into electrical energy, with losses, then convert electrical energy into heat by extracting it from the outside with the heat pump. If you store it in batteries to heat up water later, there's even more losses. Depending on the outside temperature, there's a limit to what the heat pump can do, which an internal electric heater inside the water tank takes over to reach usable shower temperature.

With solar heating the sun heats water, that's it. Not only you can yield energy from the sun more efficiently, this doesn't need complex electronics or semiconductors, so it's also better from an environmental impact point of view.

And it doesn't have to be either/or. In my country, solar heating usually comes as a package deal with pv heating. Some companies are making hybrid pvs. Solar panels become less efficient as they heat up, so a hybrid pv would use coolant to keep them within their most efficient working temperature and extract that heat to be used for space heating, using radiators or floor heating or forced air systems, and/or water heating. Having both just makes sense, since it makes your pv needs (and your upfront investment) smaller and the maintenance on solar heaters is much simpler.

[-] IrritableOcelot@beehaw.org 2 points 10 hours ago

Can second this: direct heating of anything is always going to be more efficient. Also, only ~25% of incident energy on a PV cell is actually captured as electriciy (see here for theoretical backing), and the rest is lost in a lot of ways, but much of it is converted to heat at the PV cell, and if you're capturing that you're using direct heating anyhow.

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