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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/21396125

Stephen Starr in Hamtramck, Michigan
Mon 14 Oct 2024 11.00 EDT

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[-] apotheotic@beehaw.org 7 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Context:

  • I am not an american, so there may be some missing knowledge for me about the american electoral system.
  • I abhor Israel's genocide in Gaza, and I abhor the biden administration's support of (and Harris' seeming continued support of) the genocide.
  • My understanding is that Trump is just as, if not more supportive of the genocide in Gaza, and on top of this has his sights on doing some truly terrible things in the US re: minorities, trans rights, etc

So with that context, my question is thus: It seems clear that Trump wouldn't change anything about the genocide in Gaza, and that he would bring more evil than the current status quo. So if you're an american voter, you obviously can't let Trump get in. But, Harris is gross to vote for as well, even if its a "lesser of the two evils" thing. What do you do? As far as I understand its basically one or the other, you dont really have any third party to vote for right?

[-] ResoluteCatnap@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Your understanding is solid for not being an American. You're not missing anything substantial-- people who are voting 3rd party think that the "dems need to learn" and that the dems can't do whatever they want so their vote is supposed to be a punishment. But as you point out that if they really cared about this issue then they would vote for Harris because trump will do worse on this issue and all around. The time to make changes to our political system is not when you vote for president, but in the years leading up to that.

In other words, people voting for 3rd party or Trump over this issue are morons. It sucks that our political system is what it is but if you knowingly vote for anything other than the candidate promising not-fascism, then you are supporting fascism.

I just hope enough democrats understand this. I'm not happy with gaza either but our country is still recovering from the first shit show presidency of Trump, and fascists are closely watching this election.

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[-] authorinthedark@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 7 hours ago

they exist, but the electoral system is designed to keep them from gaining power. And since (most) states use first past the post, secondary preferences aren't taken into account, so if you vote third party when you would have voted for Harris otherwise you increase Trumps chance of winning. There's some argument to be made that voting third party or not voting might influence democrats in the future to change their policy to appeal to those voters but I don't know how realistic that is.

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 21 points 14 hours ago

Because Trump who literally said Muslims should wear a "Special ID at all times" back in 2015 is obviously gonna be much better....

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