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Ifixit take on current bike/e-bike manufacturers.

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[-] 4shtonButcher@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 14 hours ago

One of the reasons the tech nerd in my is against some of the fancy modern e-bikes like Cowboy. And the silly wireless shifter stuff.

The only thing I realize and accept I won’t repair myself are hydraulic brakes and wheel truing. At least I understand the mechanism, I just think someone with more experience should do it. Everything else on a bike should be simple enough to fix with the right (cheap-ish) tool, an hour or so of time and a good manual.

[-] Pulptastic@midwest.social 6 points 9 hours ago

Wheel truing and building is not as scary as it seems.

[-] Jojowski@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 hour ago

Yes, although you need to know what you are doing because in the worst case it can be a really costly fuck-up and/or dangerous. Working on "regular" wheels is usually quite easy though.

[-] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 6 points 14 hours ago

It's funny that the high end (human powered/"analog") bikes tend to actually be pretty good at this. Want to change your $5k+ bike from 11s to 12s? Yep, should be doable


you'll need to replace group set and possibly the rear hub, but it's totally possible.

Upgrade from cable to electronic shifting? Again, totally doable.

Switch from Shimano to SRAM or Campy? Yep, should be possible.

Now, if you crack your carbon frame...well, that's another story.

[-] psud@aussie.zone 1 points 3 hours ago

When you crack your carbon frame you can move the other gear to the new frame (though it's a bit tatty and the new SRAM drivetrain is so much cooler than the old one

(I buy a frameset and whatever specialist gear from a manufacturer and have a local bike mech turn it into a bike, I reckon I'm pretty safe from the problem as long as I'm able to run human powered)

[-] dorkage@lemmy.ca 1 points 35 minutes ago

Except if they change BB or axle spacing standards, which seems to be happening every few years.

I struggled to find a half decent 135 QR 29er wheel last year for my Trek Xcaliber. A nearly $2000CDN bike from 2016 with nothing wrong except the free hub, and everywhere told me to just get a new bike.

I like my bikes, but I really hate the people running the industry.

[-] superkret@feddit.org 11 points 16 hours ago

I hate this trend.

My "gravel bike" is a '90s mountainbike with dirt drop bars.
My "travel bike" is a '90s mountainbike with rack and fenders.
And my "cruiser" is a '90s mountainbike with ape hanger handlebars.

[-] yonder@sh.itjust.works 18 points 18 hours ago

I guess the best thing to do is to research the bikes that do this bullshit and don't buy them.

[-] lemming934@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 14 hours ago

Since steel frames seem to last forever, Id just get a decades old used bike. Maybe get some new wheels

[-] UFO64@lemmy.world 15 points 17 hours ago

The vast majority of consumers don’t care. They look for a product which is in their budget, and they think does what they want.

The market will select for companies which and most profitable.

The best thing to do is to pass laws that make this practice of enshitification illegal.

[-] yonder@sh.itjust.works 5 points 16 hours ago

Legislation like that seems reasonable considering the standards that exist for cars and bikes serve literally the same societal purpose as cars.

[-] jnb@lemmy.ca 13 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

The great thing about bikes is that there's just... a shitload out there, especially vintage repairable units. And LOTS of vintage frames and parts that are often tossed to the road as trash, just cleanly available to take. It does of course require one to have the drive to do the repairs yourself, but that is another thing; thank goodness DIY bike repair shops exist.

[-] yonder@sh.itjust.works 4 points 18 hours ago

My main bike right now is around 20 years old and is still trucking along. Cars usually don't even last that long lol.

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 8 points 17 hours ago

My ~30 year-old MTB cost me $150. Good luck finding a car with that much value! It's already paid for itself twice over in the last year, just from not having to spend it on gas.

And the kicker? The components are dirt cheap compared to modern bike parts. AND I can fix the entire thing at home.

[-] jnb@lemmy.ca 5 points 18 hours ago

I bought a new cassette, chain and derailleur for my main bike; it's probably 20-30 years old in it's frame and has some signs of wear, but those parts are probably the most I've "invested" in keeping it running well. Compare to a car with new belts, filters, etc. It's crazy our cities are not designed more densely.

[-] yonder@sh.itjust.works 5 points 16 hours ago

My city used to have a tram system until they ripped it out in the 1950s. We've been going backwards in time here in north america.

[-] hawgietonight@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago

It's sad, but there is such a small percentage of people that care about this at all. When Shimano announced they where going with a new driver for 12s cassettes called microspline instead of using the standard XD from SRAM I said to myself people won't fall for this crap.. but they did. And now we have three different freehub standards.

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 6 points 17 hours ago

This really is a concern.

All the bikes I ride, are still using standard components that are easy to fix/tune/replace at home.

But I'm seeing more and more bikes with great tech, don't get me wrong, but they have a very limited lifespan and almost no longevity in the coming decades.

Meanwhile, my 90's MTB, which goes anywhere and carries anything, has very inexpensive and easily replaceable parts. The only way I could make it even more future-proof is to run a friction shifter on it.

[-] TurtleTourParty@midwest.social 3 points 16 hours ago

Join the friction shifter gang!

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 4 points 16 hours ago

There are so many bike things that I want to try, but have no good way to: friction shifting, single-speed, cargo bike, belt drive, etc...

I keep hearing the dude from The Path Less Pedaled constantly bringing up friction shifters, but they remain a dream for now.

[-] bluGill@fedia.io 4 points 16 hours ago

I used friction shifters back when they were all you could get. Click is much nicer. In theory my 10 speed had 10 different gear ratios, but in practice it had 4 as I could never reliably find the 3 middle gears in the back.

[-] psud@aussie.zone 1 points 3 hours ago

One of my bikes has SRAM mountain bike handlebar twist shifters and they're great. Twist to select like a motorcycle throttle, selected gear shown in a window on the handle

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 1 points 15 hours ago

I wonder if friction works better when you have fewer gears. That way, you can feel the steps more easily.

Is that possible? I suspect it is, because on my 11-speed Shimano 105, some steps are so similar, that even with an index shifter, you sometimes don't notice the jumps!

[-] bluGill@fedia.io 1 points 15 hours ago

You cannot feel the gears with friction shifters. Your move the lever until you hear the change and your legs report a difference. There is zero feedback for your fingers as to what gear you are in. With a click shift you move the lever one click and you move one gear making it easy to select any gear you want.

Of course I'm assuming well adjusted click shifters. My old bike (was 15 years old but the frame cracked so I replaced it last week) the something was not adjusted right and so sometimes I couldn't hit a gear anymore, but it started out very nice for a few years. With my newer bikes the click shifters always put me exactly on the gear I want with no trouble.

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 hours ago

Your move the lever until you hear the change and your legs report a difference.

Right, but when you've got something like an 11 or 12 speed cassette, your legs can't really feel much difference between some of the higher gears.

My assumption is that if the difference between the number of teeth is greater (i.e. a wide range cassette with only 6 - 8 cogs), you'll probably be able to feel the difference more easily.

This is why i want to try one! I'd like to actually know what it feels like, rather than assuming.

[-] bluGill@fedia.io 1 points 7 hours ago

I've only used them on a 5 gear cassette. based on my more nodern bikes I'd expect there to be a significant difference between gears but I haven't had those bikes in working order in 20 years. My memory is I could never find any gears except the biggest and smallest.

I do intend to get those bikes in working order but money and time are limited and those are low on my todo list (my todo list will take 3000 years to complete so don't go expecting me to get them done soon)

[-] jaxiiruff@lemmy.zip 4 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

I just bought a relatively decent folding bike, a Tern Link C8. Have no idea how repairable it is but it is definitely simpler and better made than my previous bike which was a lectric xp lite which was just getting worse and worse after getting about 800 miles out of it. So I definitely feel like bike makers are following auto makers with this stuff and it sucks.

What I was hoping for was for electric bikes to get cheaper, lighter and more efficient as time went on but it feels like the opposite. Those ebikes are like 3 grand still while the shitty heavy and obtusely designed "cheap" ebikes still cost as much as a decent normal bike. Im happy avoiding ebikes for now which are just glorified motorcycles that still cant keep up with shitty impatient drivers.

[-] lgsp@feddit.it 5 points 18 hours ago

The additional complexity and manteinance needed by ebikes is the major factor that scares me, more than price.

I want to do as little manteinance to my bike as possible, to be able to do it on my own, and ebikes don't look like something that would allow me to do so, at the moment

this post was submitted on 16 Oct 2024
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