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We are constantly told that solutions to some of the greatest challenges facing poor and working class people in the U.S. do not exist. Meanwhile, billions taxpayer dollars are being used to fund the genocide of Palestinians.

That very money could have ended homelessness in the United States.

Money for our needs, not the U.S.-Israeli war machine!

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[-] celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 10 hours ago

More people should play Metal Gear Solid 1-4. Governments don't exist to "help" people, they exist to expand their influence and ideally take over the world. Us civilians are meat for the meat grinder, and at best, mindless drones to tax to fund the meat grinder.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 23 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

We barely kept from defaulting on disability payments to our own veterans at the beginning of October. But we've got all the money in the world to create more suffering. Including putting our own troops in harm's way.

FFS.

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[-] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 10 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

http://costofwar.com

The site design could be better though. Human brains don't understand how insanely large those numbers are without a visualization.

[-] magnetosphere@fedia.io 17 points 19 hours ago

By all means, vote independent in state and local elections. We need more choices than a two-party system offers. If the candidate seem qualified, then help new parties establish themselves. Once they build enough followers to make a difference, we can start electing senators. Then the presidency becomes a serious option.

Unfortunately, there aren’t currently any third party candidates with a realistic chance of winning. The only responsible thing we can do for now is choose the lesser of two evils.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 21 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Unfortunately, there aren’t currently any third party candidates with a realistic chance of winning. The only responsible thing we can do for now is choose the lesser of two evils.

I don’t know anyone who thinks this is about winning. Everyone knows their third party vote isn’t going to result in a win for their candidate, and their candidate also knows this, and they know their candidate knows. When you lecture someone on what they already know, all you do is annoy them. You’re not going to get far with them if you don’t understand what their reasons really are. I can’t tell you; you’ll have to ask them.

One reason for some, that I think you can easily understand, is that unless you live in a swing state, it costs nothing to vote left of genocide. There is no downside, and it may make the Democratic party sweat enough to move slightly left. The party isn’t going to move left if they know you’ll always vote blue no matter who: all that does is make you a reliable and politically irrelevant punching bag.

[-] magnetosphere@fedia.io 0 points 9 hours ago

Swing states aren’t the only states that matter. Also, states “flip”, surprising even experts.

Do you understand how incredibly privileged your stance is? You’re willing to let a horrible person take control of the country just so you can make a point.

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[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works -3 points 18 hours ago

I wonder if Claudia should rebrand their logo (that they have in the bottom right hand corner of OP) to say something like “*swing state? Vote Harris”

There’s no way she wants 45 to become 47. So she must have some guilt about marketing herself and Karina where a swing state voter might accidentally help get a bad man elected.

(I don’t know anything about her but I’m trusting she has her heart in the right place and is alarmed at all the same things the average Lemming is)

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 13 hours ago

PSL is a Marxist Party. They believe revolution is necessary, and despise the Democrats and Republicans alike. They want their voters to vote in swing states to advertise their party platform and delegitimize the failure of the electoral system in general. They aren't pulling punches because, like all Marxists, they believe the Democrats are unacceptable as well as the Republicans.

[-] arxdat@lemmy.ml 5 points 12 hours ago

There’s a part of my brain that totally gets the logic behind needing a revolution to shake up the system, but then the other part of me is like, ‘Violence? Nah, hard pass.’ So I end up with this funny little cognitive dissonance. I’m all, ‘Yeah, REVOLUTION!’ and at the same time, ‘But let’s make sure no one gets hurt, okay?’ It’s like being stuck between a revolution and a group hug, if that even makes sense!

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 12 hours ago

Marxists would pick reform 100% of the time. The reason Marxists are revolutionary is not because they desire violence, but because reform is about as likely as asking the owner-board of your local megacorp to hand over the regins. Impossible without force.

[-] arxdat@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 hours ago

Absolutely, it’s unfortunately a law of the status quo. My biggest concern is that once force is used to take the reins, you’re stuck defending them, which just brings us back to the same place. I’ll admit, I’m likely ignorant of many Marxist ideas. Maybe they have a solution for that, but knowing how humans tend to operate, things often fall short of ideals. Are there any proposals in Marxist thought that address how to avoid falling into the trap of constantly defending the new status quo? I’d love to understand more about that, because honestly, I don’t know what the solution would be. That’s way above my pay grade!

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 hours ago

That's a complicated question. The short answer is that, until Socialism is established world-wide, states are necessary, along with millitaries to defend them. All AES states have had to defend themselves, the USSR was invaded by 14 Capitalist nations right after the October Revolution.

Additionally, Socialism is not "the same place as before." Establishing Socialism through revolution has fundamentally changed who has the reigns, the bourgeoisie vs the proletariat.

Have you read any Marxist theory? I can give some reading lists, either a "full course" or I can recommend specific works going over the Marxist theory of revolution and the state, but that may raise more questions than it answers.

[-] arxdat@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 hours ago

Honestly, as an American, I’ve avoided diving into Marxist ideas because they tend to carry a lot of ‘baggage’ here and are seen as a touchy subject by many. That said, the more I learn, the more I realize that I probably align with some aspects of Marxist theory, having arrived at similar basic concepts on my own, though I’ve always been puzzled why we don’t embrace these ideas. I haven’t really read any Marxist theory directly, mostly because of the negative bias around it, but I’d love to start somewhere. If you could recommend some beginner-friendly resources to help me get my feet wet, I’d really appreciate it. I also assume that there are resources here on Lemmy? Thanks!

[-] Edie@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Really cool!lea-w

Maybe you'll find you disagree with most or all of what you read, that's fine, you don't have to agree. I don't think Litvinov^[foreign minister of the Soviet Union in the 30s] agreed with the nazis when he "[i]n 1928 [...] had read and re-read Mein Kampf until he almost memorized it"^[The Cold War and Its Origins, Denna F. Flemming, p.60]. But reading even the books of our enemies is necessary to learn and grow.

I'm the creator of comlib (see some of the links in Cowbees comment), I've been thinking of giving someone that did what you did, to ask and learn, a.. "coupon" for an EPUB. So if you use EPUBs and you have some book you'd like made into one, come tell me and I'll prioritize it.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 hours ago

Again, fantastic work on comlib, as always. I've already swapped to the comlib link for Elementary Principles of Philosophy.

[-] Edie@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 hours ago

Thanks, I did see you had changed it out.

Also I will be accepting critique on the new dark theme I made for comlib

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 hours ago

I like it! More pleasant too look at, as a dark-mode enjoyer.

[-] arxdat@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 hours ago

But reading even the books of our enemies is necessary to learn and grow.

100%

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Honestly, I'd start with Blackshirts and Reds, it's a history book that analyzes AES states critically and debunks modern anticommunism and anti-Marxism. Michael Parenti uses modern, non-Marxist language to appeal to liberals and leftists sympathetic to Marxism but unsure about it and AES. An alternative, or supplementary source, is the famous "Yellow Parenti" speech and/or Albert Einstein's Why Socialism?

The absolute best primer is Engels' The Principles of Communism, which I would follow with Politzer's Elementary Principles of Philosophy, and swing back to Engels for Socialism: Utopian and Scientific. By now, you should understand what Communism is, how Marxism diverges from older Utopian Socialism, and have a thorough understanding of Dialectical and Historical Materialism, the philosophical foundation of Marxism. DiaMat makes the rest of Marxist theory far easier to understand, as it is the basis of all that follows, including analysis of Capitalism and Imperialism, and why Socialism is what comes after Capitalism.

Now, you can read Wage Labor and Capital as well as Value, Price and Profit back to back for Marx to explain the Law of Value without yet delving all the way into Capital, and prep you for Lenin's works Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism and The State and Revolution, to bring you to the modern era of Imperialist Capitalism and explain the Marxist theory of the State.

If you read all of those works, you will be more well-read than the vast majority of Leftists. There are numerous other fantastic Marxist works, but this will get you by far the most bang for your buck when starting out.

As for Lemmy, the instances that care the most about Marxism are Hexbear.net, Lemmy.ml, and Lemmygrad.ml, both Hexbear and Grad have reading lists and offer help with theory.

[-] arxdat@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 hours ago

Thanks for taking the time!

I am doing a lot of traveling over the next couple of weeks, so I will be sure to add these to my reading list. I will start with your recommendation: Blackshirts and Reds.

Again, thanks!

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 hours ago

No problem! Feel free to message me if you have any questions.

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[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 8 points 15 hours ago

This is not about winning. Putting votes on third parties is a long term investment. It directly shows both evil parties they are missing out on votes.

Votes they would have had if they changed their agenda.

Rewarding a "lesser evil" for not appealing to left wing voters will teach them they need to keep doing evil because that is what makes them win.

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[-] itsathursday@lemmy.world 16 points 21 hours ago

Need poors so that the middle class can think they will become the billionaire class and continue to support their needs

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 13 hours ago

Classes aren't income divisions, but social relations to production. The US, since WWII, has always been thoroughly dominated by the Imperialist Bourgeoisie.

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