[Transphobia Warning] Nutomic’s Stance on Transgender People (lemmy.ca)

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[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 41 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

“If the capitalists are ok with something it must be bad”

Classic

[-] qaz@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Same reasoning that leads to people praising authoritarian regimes like China and Russia.

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[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Pretty much the only other time I have seen any transphobia on Lemmy is from a .ml user who called someone a chaser for saying they were married to a femboy. These people don't actually care about LGBT issues - they are just trolls who use it as a cudgel when it is convenient.

[-] r3df0x@7.62x54r.ru 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That's pretty shitty but not surprising for tankies.

[-] goat@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 months ago

Wow, spread this everywhere dude. Also make note that they're a lemmy dev

[-] rain_worl@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

bourgoisie is based B)

[-] rain_worl@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

perhaps jovial?

[-] lulztard@feddit.org -2 points 9 months ago

Can someone explain to someone out of the loop what's transphobic about his post?

[-] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 18 points 9 months ago

Saying that the topic of "caring about transgender and LGBT issues" is promoted by the bourgeois is clearly not intended to indicate they respect those communities concerns.

The "men in women's sports" thing is just straight up transphobic, sexist misinformation.
It shouldn't need to be explained, but using "trans" as a label to attack a woman to delegitimize her sporting victory is just a hot mess of issues.

[+] lulztard@feddit.org -6 points 9 months ago

This entire train of conversation seems bizarre to me. While I don't know the intention, the topic is being promoted by companies. Fervently. And having to embezzle "biological" from the sentence doesn't leave a good feel, either.

This feels more like an ideological war than an factual war.

[-] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago

Are you referring to the topic of "lgbtq people deserve rights", or are you referring to "the boxer is a woman"? And when you say "embezzle biological from the sentence", what do you mean? I think I know, but I would like to be clear.

To be entirely clear: Imane Khelif, the Algerian women's Olympic boxer, is a cis, born, biological, genetic, assigned female at birth, raised as a woman, anatomical, woman. Trans women are also women, but in this case she is not a trans woman, so the whole thing is just multiple levels of awful and gross.
All controversy surrounding her is factually inaccurate, transphobic and sexist, which is quite the combo.

Lgbtq rights and respect are entirely an ideological issue. I don't think anyone argued that it wasn't. Lgbtq rights are human rights, and human rights beliefs are intrinsically ideological.
They're not being promoted by companies, they're being leveraged or "exploited* by companies who have realized that human rights are popular.
The objective is to get money from people. What other objective do you think a company would have? Do you think they're trying to promote being trans for some reason?

[-] lulztard@feddit.org -5 points 9 months ago

What has some Algerian boxer to do with all of this? I feel like I'm missig 27 layers of hate.

[-] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago

Middle of the image you're responding to, when they refer to "allowing biological men to compete in women's sports at the Olympics".

Said Algerian boxer became the center of claims that she was actually trans and competing against women unfairly after she punched another boxer in the face, like boxers do, and the other boxer had to drop out on account of "face all messed up".

See my previous comment for a breakdown on the validity of that claim, and maybe some understanding of why it's just a big pile of ignorance and hate.

[+] lulztard@feddit.org -10 points 9 months ago

I see. Okay, so I checked WTF you're all talking about and it seems like an XY woman wrecked a XX women, which I also feel is bullshit considering the massive biological difference. Not sure what that has to do with a phobia of any kind, though.

[-] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago

swing and a miss. Remember that big part where I talked about how she's a woman in every possible sense of the word? Read that again.

You're looking at the hate and then just believing it. Don't.

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[-] friendlymessage@feddit.org 2 points 9 months ago

The part at the beginning up to the middle

[-] Quill7513@slrpnk.net -1 points 9 months ago

Don't also forget the ending as well. The whole FUCKING thing is transphobic

[-] friendlymessage@feddit.org 4 points 9 months ago

The part about the firefox plugin?

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago

Now that it's been explained to you, can you explain to us what was so hard to understand that you needed it explained to you?

[-] lulztard@feddit.org -2 points 9 months ago

The "intentions" everyone seemed to be reading into the post. Outsiders can only take the statement on face value.

[+] LoveSausage@discuss.tchncs.de -8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Clearly choosing to not include this in order to keep bashing on. Maybe spez is a better option for you?

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 weeks ago

He's still doubling down and recently said he has no need to apologize or learn better because "I can never make anyone happy no matter what they make me say, I have work to do."

[-] LoveSausage@discuss.tchncs.de -3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

If you really are concerned perhaps fork it then ? If the purity tests are not good enough for you to use a service, what do you use , I would love to get a list. Or is it just for Foss projects that's provided for free you have the purity tests for?

I use GOS , and did so when it was a really toxic community a few years back.

linux is also problematic here and there. Wikipedia I just donated to also. Hell I don't think there's a single project other than my own small scripts I use that would pass my own purity tests.

Feels like a good psyop from anyone if you want to damage Lemmy and Foss competition in my meaning.

[-] goat@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

Not being transphobic isn't a purity test

[-] LoveSausage@discuss.tchncs.de -2 points 2 weeks ago

So you wrote this comment on a device completely void of any involvement of any transphobes? How do you check that? Or is it just though scrutiny for services you get free?

[-] goat@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

Can you explain what you mean?

[-] LoveSausage@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 2 weeks ago

Even if criticism can be made, I mean it's kinda sus to attack the development of Lemmy. I can find a bunch of really bad people you have paid money to. Maybe stop giving them money instead? but here we are getting nothing done. To quote:

[-] goat@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

So you want people to suck it up and donate?

[-] LoveSausage@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I would like people to pay for the labour they enjoy the fruits of yes. Or contribute some other way.

For me it is obvious that Lemmy is on the top of my list of project to donate to.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago

Or is it just for Foss projects that’s provided for free you have the purity tests for?

I have "purity tests" of:

Don't be an asshole to minorities
Don't justify being an asshole to minorities.

So far it works pretty well. I don't see a reason to be friends with or use products made by such people.

linux is also problematic here and there. Wikipedia I just donated to also. Hell I don’t think there’s a single project other than my own small scripts I use that would pass my own purity tests.

What has Linux had issues with, along with Wikipedia? I can't think of anything where major Linux devs have advocated for harming groups. If anything, torvalds hates those kinds of people.

Feels like a good psyop from anyone if you want to damage Lemmy and Foss competition in my meaning.

The psyop of "I don't wanna give money to people who harm my friends"? Sure dude.

[-] LoveSausage@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 2 weeks ago

have "purity tests" of:

Don't be an asshole to minorities
Don't justify being an asshole to minorities.

No you don't. Or at least your fine with the fails. otherwise you wouldn't be able to comment here. Or do you believe there are no really shitty person's in tech?

What has Linux had issues with, along with Wikipedia? I can't think of anything where major Linux devs have advocated for harming groups. If anything, torvalds hates those kinds of people

Lol if you haven't seen the issues with toxic tech communities online you must have kept your eyes closed very hard.

By your own standards not "harming people" is quite far from the I want shit for free but won't pay because o don't like a dude developing the free stuff I use.

The psyop of "I don't wanna give money to people who harm my friends"? Sure dude.

Well you do. Or are you living in a hut in the forest sending smoke signals to get your comment here?

Maybe don't let perfect get in the way of good?

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