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submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) by Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com

Hello I'm not a person who is affected by this community moderator but I'm posting on behalf of people who are, since they don't seem to know of this community yet. I attempted to reach some via DM but I'm not sure they'll respond. So I'm making this post since I feel this needs to be addressed.

Recently I was made aware of a community that appeared randomly on Lemmy.world. It seems to be a troll community given the type of content, but the reason I'm posting about it here specifically is that this mod seems to be banning anyone who points this out or goes against his narrative. Furthermore he is only using the autoremove on ban function, not removing any content the users have posted, which I believe is deliberate in attempt to prevent the content from showing up under the modlog and revealing the hypocrisy.


Some samples of comments:

Comment from: @glimse@lemmy.world

Everything else you posted has been pretty cringe but what he fuck is up with this one, dude lol

comment from: @rain_worl@lemmy.world

free software is SLOWING DOWN tech advancement??????? WHAT???????

comment from: @rain_worl@lemmy.world

i genuinely do not understand your point

comment from: @the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world

First off, nice new community. I look forward to days of quality posts such as this./s

Second, how many Linux distros have this level of data collection, and what is their estimated market share?

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All of these were retrieved from the API, even though they aren't included in the modlogs, I could've included more but it's kind of a time consuming process to look for them and retrieve them. Viewing removed comments is easier on Lemmy than it is on Reddit but it still isn't easy.

What do you guys think, does this seem like power-tripping? Also does this person's content seem like blatant troll content?

CC: @glimse@lemmy.world @rain_worl@lemmy.world @the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world

People who's comments I mentioned, I CCed them so they know I did this on their behalf

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[-] jet@hackertalks.com 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is an example of a community I don't subscribe to, because I'm not the target demographic.

I think a Linux sucks community should exist, it can exist, and if the moderator wants to remove anything about Linux not sucking that's fine too. The way this moderator is doing it, they should just turn on mod only posting.

I looked at the community sidebar, and one of the community rules is no promoting Linux, no defending Linux, so at least it's consistent

Lemmy needs a diverse set of voices.

Counterexample: if I go into fuck cars and talk about vehicles in any positive fashion, I'm going to get dog piled and probably banned

[-] rtxn@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I've had run-ins with Linuxsucks' owner and basically only poster over on linuxmemes. They're a troll, a contrarian, uninterested in any kind of honest or good-faith discussion, and an overall dickhead. The community is a one-man circlejerk.

You're right about needing counterpoints, but Linuxsucks ain't it.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

I think he basically only made it because he somehow thought that if he had his own community his memes wouldn't get as heavily downvoted, as they do on !linuxmemes@lemmy.world though they're pretty wrong about that. Pretty much all but one of their posts there on linuxsucks are getting downvoted heavily.

[-] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 week ago

Maybe the just want to vent, and not get sealioned all the time

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I've suggested a rule in the past, but we don't have this rule now.

Community Manipulation

Communities should not be overly moderated in order to enforce a specific narrative. Respectful disagreement should be allowed in a smaller proportion to the established narrative.

i.e. A user should be able to (respectfully, infrequently) post/comment about a study showing marijuana is a gateway drug to !marijuana without moderation tools being used to censor that content.

There are times people wouldn't like it, but it'd fully solve this !linuxsucks issue.

[-] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world -3 points 1 week ago

Communities should not be overly moderated in order to enforce a specific narrative.

Agreed. That's exactly what is killing Reddit. They ban/permaban so many people just for disagreeing with them.

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[-] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago

I've actually been fairly fine in fuck cars, both Reddit and Lemmy editions. I actually like cars, well, some of them anyway.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

The difference between !fuckcars@lemmy.world and linuxsucks is that the first one is largely a fact and logic based community about the problems with car dependency in urban areas, and car-dependent infrastructure.

linuxsucks is a single troll who's talking shit about linux for seemingly no real reason, some of his posts are insanely illogical, and make very little sense. So yeah I definitely think these communities are anything like each other.

[-] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

That's some horse blinders my friend. Most of the folks in that sub just scream at cars and God forbid a truck.

[-] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 0 points 1 week ago

YDI. You know fire burns but stuck your hand in it all the same.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Reading comprehension ain't your strong suit eh.

I guess that's not surprising

Hello I’m not a person who is affected by this community moderator but I’m posting on behalf of people who are, since they don’t seem to know of this community yet. I attempted to reach some via DM but I’m not sure they’ll respond. So I’m making this post since I feel this needs to be addressed.

[-] jet@hackertalks.com -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I don't think you want to create an expectation that communities have to be logical and open to reasoned debate. That's a lot of work to enforce

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I like how far backwards you're bending over to ignore the point. You must really love windows

[-] jet@hackertalks.com -2 points 1 week ago

The point is the discussion is more valuable than being right. It doesn't matter if I'd like Linux or not.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

A point was being made, your only concern seems to be ignoring it

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I don't expect that for all communities. That would be unreasonable. Though generally, it's preferable to not have communities with no other purpose than trolling. Which is basically all of the content in the community I mentioned in the post. These types of communities don't really benefit anyone and can be breeding grounds for toxicity and possibly even dangerous misinformation.

[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 1 points 1 week ago

I think that there are key differences between

  • A community criticising something, backed up by reason and evidence. Even if it's something popular, doubly true if there's a circlejerk around that thing. This can and should exist.
  • A community created to circlejerk against something, through insane troll "logic" and silencing any dissidence. This is fertile grounds for idiocy and misinformation, thus harmful for the society [I can go further on that if desired] and the Fediverse [ditto], and should not exist.

Sometimes the boundary between both is not clear - but this community, unless it's a troll comm, falls cleanly into the second case. Specially given how opaque the moderator is trying to be (check how none of the removals appear in the modlog).

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

I think it's very clearly a troll community since really the only person posting there is the mod, most of which are very transparently troll content, like this one hating on the idea of OpenSource and Free licenses for some really weird reason, that hasn't actually been clarified. Someone said to me when I showed that to them that they could be an alt-right corporate shill, but I don't have enough information to come to that conclusion. Only thing I can clearly tell is that they are very obviously a troll.

And yeah I definitely agree that these types of communities are very harmful, and definitely something we should nip in the bud before they get out of hand and start spreading disinformation, as well as fostering toxic or even dangerous sentiment.

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[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Will you though? Dogpiled? Yes, that’s just the nature of Lemmy. Banned? I have not heard of this happening but maybe I’m just ignorant.

Edit: I realized after saying this that there are two fuckcars coms. The one on LW has banned like 3 people ever. The one on .ML has banned tons of people though it was hard to tell which ones were instance-wide bans since the admins love to do that over trivial BS. So depending on which com you might be right. But on LW community you can definitely go there and argue that cars are great and harmless as long as you’re nice about it. I personally think that’s healthy.

[-] Delphia@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Oh, Hello voice of common sense. Been a while!

Going into subs about a specific topic to troll should get your shit removed.

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[-] the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Lol I just figured I'd respond to a random post about how Linux users are paranoid conspiracy theorists. Got banned on sight. I shoulda seen this coming...

[-] rain_worl@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago
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[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

I'm glad this community is a thing. There is !fediverselore@lemmy.ca for lore, drama and debacles, which is interesting to see when there is conflict between multiple somewhat reasonable sides, but when it's just mods behaving silly it doesn't feel as right a place.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago
[-] thesporkeffect@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Well my only post was telling them to ban me, so mission accomplished I guess

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

I don't think it was that big a feat, he was banning people when the comments were too vague to tell if they were pro-linux or anti-linux. Really funny, and goes to show how insecure he is in his opinions.

[-] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 week ago

from their community

Their house. Their rules. You aren't welcome everywhere. We aren't ants.

I use arch, btw.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago

By your logic it seems you believe this community has no merit and that moderator power tripping isn't a valid. You're entitled to your opinion but many people do indeed disagree with you on that. I'd suggest blocking this community because a good amount of the posts here center on the idea that community stewards can indeed abuse their power on an instance to either obscure information pertaining to the reasons they actioned someone, or that they are banning people and removing posts to avoid being banned themselves from the instance for Code of conduct infractions on their part.

[-] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

This happens ALL OVER Lemmy.

Welcome to mods and power admins with no rules.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago

If you see it you should post it here. Help bring attention to it, instead of just trying to accept it as normal. At the very least it helps people know to avoid those communities.

[-] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

I do. I rarely see it acted on in mod log.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

Well modlogs aren't the only form of power-tripping. Publicly outing reports is another one. Public intimidation from a mod is another prime example of power-tripping. Like you should share this stuff. It helps people to know which mods are doing this shit so they can act accordingly, including avoiding offending communities run by power-trippers.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 0 points 1 week ago

If you see it, feel free to report here in this community.

[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io -2 points 1 week ago

Yeah but they moderate voluntarily so you should thank them.

[-] ramble81@lemm.ee -2 points 1 week ago

Subscribed! The amount of linux fanboyism on this platform has been insane as of late to where if you even post anything factually negative (yes, Linux can get viruses) you get downvoted to hell. It’s nice to see a counter-culture sub once in a while.

As others have said, if you don’t like it, block it.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago

As others have said, if you don’t like it, block it.

I didn't say explicitly that I didn't like it or that people shouldn't use it, just that the main mod has been power-tripping and very likely is a troll. So if you want to hang out there that's fine. Though I wouldn't expect any kind of content diversity there. It's likely going to be just be the main mod making posts, which he might even give up on later. It's also very likely he'll ban you for a misunderstanding, since some of the people there were banned seemingly for nothing.

[-] ramble81@lemm.ee -3 points 1 week ago

You’re aware of the Streisand effect, right? It actually cuts both ways. I browse all and hadn’t even heard of that sub and a lot of others probably haven’t too. But your whining about the mod and community have brought a spotlight to it which raises the amount of attention it gets, probably not in the way you’re wanting.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago

Are you deliberately trying to misrepresent the meaning of the post or do you legitimately not understand. I'm not telling you to not go to the linuxsucks community, go join it if you really want to. This isn't a plea to get people not to join it. It's a warning about their behavior. But please, feel free to go on about how I'm supposedly helping them. The goal of this post is neither to help them, nor to hurt them. It is simply to provide information.

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Ye Power Trippin' Bastards

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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.

Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.

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