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submitted 1 year ago by koper@feddit.nl to c/fediverse@lemmy.ml

The best part of the fediverse is that anyone can run their own server. The downside of this is that anyone can easily create hordes of fake accounts, as I will now demonstrate.

Fighting fake accounts is hard and most implementations do not currently have an effective way of filtering out fake accounts. I'm sure that the developers will step in if this becomes a bigger problem. Until then, remember that votes are just a number.

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[-] RealNooshie@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Fake/bot accounts have always existed. How many times has a "YouTuber" ran a "giveaway" in their comments section?

[-] festus@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

Yes but you presumably had to go through a captcha to make each one, whereas here someone can spin up an instance and 'create' 1 million accounts immediately.

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[-] gthutbwdy@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 1 year ago

I think people often forget federation is not a new thing, it's a first design for internet communication services. Email, which is predating the Internet, is also federated network and most popular widely adopted of them all modes of Internet communication. It also had spam issues and there where many solutions for that case.

The one I liked the most was hashcash, since it requires not trust. It's the first proof-of-work system and it was an inspiration to blockchains.

[-] milicent_bystandr@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

I wonder if it's possible ...and not overly undesirable... to have your instance essentially put an import tax on other instances' votes. On the one hand, it's a dangerous direction for a free and equal internet; but on the other, it's a way of allowing access to dubious communities/instances, without giving them the power to overwhelm your users' feeds. Essentially, the user gets the content of the fediverse, primarily curated by the community of their own instance.

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[-] thoralf@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 year ago

People may not like it but a reputation system could solve this. Yes, it's not the ultimate weapon and can surely be abused itself.

But it could help to prevent something like this.

How could it work? Well, each server could retain a reputation score for each user it knows. Every up- or downvote is then modified by this value.

This will not solve the issue entirely, but will make it less easy to abuse.

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[-] AbyssalChord@feddit.de 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I‘m not a fan of up- and downvotes, also but not only for the aforementioned reasons. Classic forums ran fine without any of it.

[-] nekat_emanresu@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I keep thinking about this. The only reason for votes that a forum cant do, is filtering massive content quantities through an equally massive userbase to get pages of great and revolving posts. In a forum you can just filter with comments/hour and give free promotion to new posts.

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[-] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Here’s an idea: adjust the weights of votes by how predictable they are.

If account A always upvotes account B, those upvotes don’t count as much—not just because A is potentially a bot, but because A’s upvotes don’t tell us anything new.

If account C upvotes a post by account B, but there was no a priori reason to expect it to based on C’s past history, that upvote is more significant.

This could take into account not just the direct interactions between two accounts, but how other accounts interact with each of them, whether they’re part of larger groups that tend to vote similarly, etc.

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[-] PearlsSwineEtc@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Thank you for this. I'd upvote you, but you've already taken care of that.

[-] thedarkfly@feddit.nl 8 points 1 year ago

Two solutions that I see:

  1. Mods and/or admins need to be notified when a post has a lot of upvotes from accounts on the same instance.
  2. Generalize whitelists and requests to federate from new instances.
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