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submitted 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) by Mwa@lemm.ee to c/linux@lemmy.ml

Which is the better option + spinning a vm is possible and ltsc the only issue is I have to repirte a windows license for ltsc(and according to Microsoft ltsc was mostly designed for embedded systems) thanks for any help and I decided to post it on the linux community bcs I couldn't find a suitable place to post it and this is related to linux but man I love linux tho and if I go with the jumpship method I have to sadly leave some games behind like roblox (it's fine due to some moderation issues bad games etc etc but ngl its a fun game ik sober exists but i kinda dont wanna use a android emulator to play roblox i could use it since its our only option for linux)

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[-] GustavoM@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

You can always consider the experience of using Linux as a "game" itself and DU ET NAO!

...no really. Do it.

[-] Mwa@lemm.ee 1 points 42 minutes ago

prob 4-months/1 year

[-] eugenia@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 hour ago

Why wait? There's no need for Windows, unless you're running some super-specialized app. The new versions of Windows already have telemetry and privacy issues, so why just go with minimal security options that MS is selling you? You can do almost everything in Linux just as well, if not better, than Windows does at this point. Start with Linux Mint, which is the most Windows-y distribution and you should be golden.

[-] Mwa@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

i already use linux as a dualbooted os, Ngl i agree but i got affinity i need to wait for it to expire (it was 6 mounths)

[-] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 2 points 49 minutes ago

You should set up dual boot now so you don’t get surprised by differences when support ends and you feel the need to switch to an ltsc sku or use Linux.

Don’t wait, prepare!

Keep a hold of windows for a little while so that if something critical comes up that you can’t figure out you have a fallback.

[-] Mwa@lemm.ee 1 points 42 minutes ago

ok prob 4-months/1 year i will keep a hold of windows

[-] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 minutes ago

A good project between now and then is to investigate the iot sku. It has everything “unnecessary” cut out because it’s intended to be installed on refrigerators and has a much longer support window (2032?) for the same reason.

[-] solrize@lemmy.world 24 points 3 hours ago

should I completely jumpship to linux when windows 10 ends support

Nah, there's no need to wait.

[-] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago

I'd recommend dual booting right now so you can transition over a longer period. Also make sure your chosen distro supports dual-boot. Technically any distro can dual-boot but if it doesn't support dual-boot you'll have to put in some extra effort to make sure both can boot safely and easily.

[-] Mwa@lemm.ee 5 points 2 hours ago

need it for some apps but its possible i can switch on march 2025 a whole few months before windows 10 ends support

[-] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 4 points 2 hours ago

No better way to learn and get used to it than ripping off the bandage and being forced to deal with it. That's what I did. Been Windows-free for ten years. If you still have a Windows partition around, it may be too tempting to just go back to it when things get a bit hairy.

As far as games, yeah, it sucks that I can't play some games, but I've filled that time with more productive hobbies. I can program C and C++ now, self taught on Linux.

But the more people that jump ship, the more developers will target Linux, so it's just a matter of time now before you can play anything again. It's definitely a 1000x better environment now than when I switched back then.

[-] Mwa@lemm.ee 3 points 2 hours ago

if you only play mostly indie,singleplayer they should work fine in my opinion and apps find the alterntives?

[-] Kongar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 3 hours ago

I’ve been a dual / triple / god knows how many OS booted since the 90’s.

Windows has gotten into bad habits lately - it’s not staying in its lane. Meaning it hasn’t respected other boot partitions for a long time, and recently there seems to be a lot of people having problems with windows nuking their linux installs.

My strong recommendation is to buy a second hard drive if you dual boot. Then windows can be “over there” - I’ve never had a problem dedicating ssds to the OS. My second recommendation is to do this now, why wait until you’re forced into something? You’ve got a year to learn Linux and get comfortable with it.

[-] mortalic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I took a more aggressive approach, I bought a second drive, but I just took the old one out (laptop). I made a windows recovery USB too and just stored them together. My laptop doesn't get firmware updates through FW update so a couple times this year I have swapped the drive back in, booted up the windows partition and updated the firmware through their stupid tool.

Even on the vendor site, this laptop only has .exe files for firmware

[-] Mwa@lemm.ee 3 points 3 hours ago

oh yeah speaking of other drives its better since gparted doesnt let you merge it somtimes into one linux disk causing you to reinstall

[-] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Jump ship with us all! 😁 At this point, the very few games that I am leaving behind are only the ones that use anticheat systems that do not work with linux, and I don't think I'll really miss letting a game company rootkit my macine...

I would go the VM route first, and if you run into any troubles then you still always have the option of installing a 2nd hard drive for bare-metal windows dual boot later. If you do need to dual boot, I don't recommend partitioning one hard drive. Windows isn't good at sharing.

If you're new to linux and unsure about what distribution to install, there are plenty of better sources online with distro recommendations. I tend to use Debian on server/headless and Fedora for desktop/laptop. But I will say, picking an option with the KDE/Plasma desktop environment will probably be the easiest transition. It should feel and look pretty familiar to what you are used to with Windows and many distros offer an installation for KDE/Plasma.

[-] Mwa@lemm.ee 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

If you’re new to linux and unsure about what distribution to install, there are plenty of better sources online with distro recommendations. I tend to use Debian on server/headless and Fedora for desktop/laptop. But I will say, picking an option with the KDE/Plasma desktop environment will probably be the easiest transition. It should feel and look pretty familiar to what you are used to with Windows and many distros offer an installation for KDE/Plasma.

I have used linux in the past and currently using it i have been using linux more then windows

[-] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

I like to hear it!

[-] Mwa@lemm.ee 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

ngl most of the games that don't work on linux are owned by frauds companies or have issues with management and waiting for affinity subscription to end as well i wanna get rid of the other windows ssd i can get the most space with raid

[-] sirico@feddit.uk 11 points 4 hours ago

The longer you wait, the more distros we'll have to argue about when you ask for suggestions

[-] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 hours ago

Doo Eeeet, Doo EEeet Now!!!

Seriously though, I vote VM under linux. Spin it up for whatever you need, use it less and less, no regrets...

[-] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

Jump ship. Just know, windows will pull you back in, especially if you work in corporate/office work. I was doing my work from home on Linux for two years straight, then my work mandated windows 11 for everyone. It’s been a nightmare. I just want my xfce!

[-] crony@lemmy.cronyakatsuki.xyz 30 points 6 hours ago

Jump the ship, I did 6 years ago, before even proton was a thing when games worked witha lot of thinkering.

Nowdays you habe so many great games working you won't mind a couple of games not working because of all the other playable games.

[-] Mwa@lemm.ee 6 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Oh yeah true I can run most of my games I play daily fine(proton and native gmod has some hiccups on native linux tho) on my dualbooted partition or in this case separate hardrive (excluding roblox like mentioned in the post)

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[-] derbolle@lemmy.world 12 points 5 hours ago

I switched a year or so ago and never looked back. there will be issues you need to overcome though. so better start with dualboot before windows 10 is eol

[-] Mwa@lemm.ee 3 points 5 hours ago
[-] nous@programming.dev 16 points 6 hours ago

Why wait? Start using Linux friendly software in your day to day workflows. Then start to dual boot Linux with your current system and start using it more and more. By the time windows 10 reaches EOL you will know if you still need a Windows install or not.

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[-] anamethatisnt@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

Using Rufus (https://rufus.ie/en/) and a fast USB thumbdrive, such as Kingston DataTraveler Max - https://www.storagereview.com/review/kingston-datatraveler-max-review, you can make a "Windows To Go" installation.

Now you have a Windows install that you can boot directly from the thumbdrive when the need arise.
Perfect for booting up if your bios can't updated directly from the usb drive and forces you into Windows, or to run that one software you can't replace just yet and that refuses your attempts to run with wine.

Just make sure that it's an ssd usb thumbdrive or it's gonna be too slow to be any use.

[-] Mwa@lemm.ee 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

windows to go can be useful at times but man i dont wanna use win11 as my windows os ik a project called live11 tho

[-] anamethatisnt@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Can always use the Windows 10 LTSC 2021 iso to create the Windows To Go. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/download-windows-10-enterprise
Getting a proper license is gonna be impossible as a private consumer though, or well you can probably find someone selling the product keys online for cheap but that isn't a real sales channel and it could suddenly become deactivated by Microsoft. I can find sites illegally selling them for as low as $14 when doing a quick search.

The real way to get the license is to sign up for their Volume Licensing Program.
Windows Enterprise LTSC is available in the per-user and per-device model, depending on the Volume Licensing program through which it's acquired.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/whats-new/windows-licensing#windows-desktop-offerings-available-through-commercial-licensing
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/licensing/vlsc-faqs-home-page

[-] Mwa@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago

how about perment activation on hwid there is a program that does that

[-] anamethatisnt@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

No idea to be honest, been a long time since I ran Windows at home.

[-] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 hours ago

Every sane person will recommend Linux only. However not everyone can use it. WMs decrease performance so you'll need good hardware. Dualboot may delete one of your OSes. It's a matter of if it's worth it or not. I personally don't see a problem with running Windows only for gaming. Though if you're paranoid about privacy then it may not be a good idea if your Linux partition is not encrypted (if there are backdoors, someone can mount your Linux partition remotely and read it etc etc). If you still want to keep Windows, buy a second physical drive to avoid the OS deletion risk.

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[-] theskyisfalling@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 hours ago

I wish I could switch to Linux but sadly I can't (one of the main things I use a computer for won't work on Linux) so I'll be using windows 10 beyond eol and forever into the foreseeable future and I don't see native instruments making a Linux version any time soon. I email them at least once a year asking about it in the hope they one day fucking do it!

[-] Mwa@lemm.ee 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Ltsc is possible it is for embedded systems tho

[-] theskyisfalling@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 hours ago

I have no idea what LTSC is but I shall have a bit of a search around after work to see if it is something I can benefit from. Thank you :)

[-] Mwa@lemm.ee 3 points 4 hours ago

yw but ltsc you can use windows till 2034 or smth

[-] theskyisfalling@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 hours ago

Cool, thank you. I may try a Linux distro again soon and try to get Traktor DJ working but the last time I tried (admittedly quite a few years ago) the audio latency was far too high for DJing with so I had to return to windows.

I am aware of mixxx as a DJ software and I periodically try it out to see how it is advancing (my last try being a few months ago) but it is just not there yet for me. Hopefully one day!

[-] Mwa@lemm.ee 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

i never used or heard of Traktor DJ but i was getting affinity working on wine (compile the custom wine version) it was way too buggy and no opencl hardware acceleration support.

[-] BaumGeist@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 hours ago

Jump ship. If you can make do without windows, do so. It takes away so much of the frustration, and you just learn to let it go when devs won't make linux-compatible binaries: after all, it's basically them telling you they need to be able to spy on you, so why use their app?

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 hours ago

If you switch to single boot Linux you can always install Windows in a virtual machine later in a pinch.

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[-] rtxn@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

I tried dual-booting Win10 and Arch for a few months. It was problematic.

I had to set the clock every time I switched because one expected the hardware clock to use UTC time and the other expected local time.

NTFS on Linux is not good. The driver works, but there are fundamental differences between NTFS and Unix-like filesystems that makes cooperation difficult (e.g. NTFS uses ACLs instead of the user/group ownership and user/group/others permissions of Unix). Windows also places additional restrictions on the filesystem (e.g. NTFS supports file names that contain :, Windows doesn't) that can completely bork the volume if violated.

But the worst offender, and what made me nuke Windows entirely, is Windows Update. It completely fucked up the boot partition, deleted the bootloader, then died and left Windows unusable.

These are all issues that can be solved, if you know how to solve them. My advice is to go cold turkey and delete Windows from your life.

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[-] CrazyLikeGollum@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

My recommendation would be dual-boot until you get everything you need working and have had everything working for a month or two under Linux. Then do a full image backup of the Windows partitions with the Windows backup utility and keep it around just in case. After that spin-up a Windows VM for any edge cases you might come across and enjoy Linux.

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