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[-] Warjac@lemmy.world 10 points 3 hours ago

Yeah it's convincing people that Windows 11 is actually good

[-] PetteriPano@lemmy.world 11 points 4 hours ago

Three years ago, I bought my wife a laptop with Windows 10 to replace her 10yo windows 7 machine.

It had hardware issues out of the box, and went in on two repairs. It works fine now, AFAIK.

But, she still doesn't trust it, and she doesn't think that she can move her Adobe CS6 license over to it..

I even bought her the affinity suite.

I'm starting to think she'll never move on from Windows 7.

I think the major browsers stopped supporting it sometime during the last year, so my best hope is that some included certificates will eventually make her favourite websites stop working. That has to force her over to something more recent.. right?

I use arch, btw.

[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

up vote for arch.

I also use arch btw.

[-] agelord@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

https://github.com/win32ss/supermium

Here is a relatively up to date Chromium fork that supports Windows XP and newer (I am not affiliated with the project btw)

[-] PetteriPano@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

I'll keep that secret from her 😅

[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 9 points 4 hours ago

I use Win10 for one single program only and I'm currently testing on how to take that machine offline, but still be accessible locally. So far all I got is a blacklist regex in pihole. Blocking internet access to that machine via my router does not work for me, as I dual boot that machine with Linux for gaming. Tips per DM are very welcome actually.

[-] bitwaba@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Static IP on the windows machine in a jail'd subnet, if you still want to be able to access it from the LAN but don't want it to have internet access.

If you're happy with it not having any kind of network access (I'm not sure if when you say 'locally' you mean just physically, or it needs LAN as well), just disable the network adapter in windows.

[-] LunarLoony@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 3 hours ago

Two options:

  • Change the DNS and gateway so they're pointing to 0.0.0.0
  • Give the Windows install a static IP or lease, and block that IP on the router
[-] undu@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Make Linux use a random MAC address, then block the physical MAC in the DHCP section of the router'e configuration. This will make Windows unablento recieve an IP address while Linux will be able to get ahold of one.

If windows uses tandom mac addresses, the feature should be able to be turned off.

Or, simply disable the network interfaces in Windows' control panel. I've never seen Windows reenable a network card by itself.

[-] MicrondeMMMMMMM@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 hours ago

Maybe have a script change your local IP address? You could for instance change your IP after logging into Linux and change before powering off.

[-] Loce@lemmy.world 34 points 10 hours ago

Well fuck Win 11, its a fucking downgrade. At Win 10 EOL I'm going back to linux.

[-] realharo@lemm.ee 1 points 3 hours ago

Practically speaking, 10 vs 11 barely makes a difference.

[-] Warjac@lemmy.world 10 points 3 hours ago

The ads, AI garbage and spyware do though.

[-] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 14 points 10 hours ago

You and the rest of Lemmy.

[-] RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 hours ago

Going back? What does that mean? Why would I switch distros on Win 10 EOL?

[-] Capitao_Duarte@lemmy.eco.br 17 points 9 hours ago

There are dozens of us!

[-] yamanii@lemmy.world 15 points 10 hours ago

I stopped following 11 news after they cancelled the native android framework, only thing that got me excited since a BlueStacks installation gets huge extremely fast, I'm not going.

[-] InnerScientist@lemmy.world 54 points 16 hours ago

I'm just waiting for the EOL of window 10 to see which of the following will happen:

  1. Many PCs will stop getting updates, people don't care
  2. Many PCs will be replaced for windows 11
  3. Turns out people already have replaced their PCs due to other reasons
  4. Microsoft removes the hardware requirements
  5. People switch to another OS
  6. People just don't buy a home PC anymore
  7. ????
  8. Profit???
[-] Default_Defect@midwest.social 15 points 13 hours ago

6 is becoming increasingly more common. Anecdotally, almost all of the gamers I know use consoles and have a phone for all of their "computer needs." One of my friends probably wouldn't even use his if it weren't for VR Chat.

[-] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 5 points 12 hours ago

I'm a computer gamer but my kids like Xbox....they're switching to Linux steam big picture mode.

[-] huzzahunimpressively@lemmy.world 9 points 13 hours ago

My bet is that they are gonna surrender and will remove restriccions to W11. I doubt that a non-it person gonna install Linux, at least that, some companies decided to resell old~ computers with linux preinstalled that's the only way

[-] Sabata11792@ani.social 22 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

My money is on MS kicking the can down the road and adding another year or two to the support last minute, then not fixing any of the issues with 11.

[-] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 2 points 7 hours ago

The paid extended security update program is going to run until 2028, and Windows 10 IoT Enterprise 2021 LTSC is going to have extended support all the way until 2032.

They have stated that ESU is going to be available to consumers as well, though not for how much - but somewhere between the $61 of the commercial, and $1 (really) of the education license, with the price doubling every year.

[-] trespasser69@lemmy.world 18 points 16 hours ago

240 millions PC will become e-waste if Win10 reaches EoL

[-] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 18 points 13 hours ago

EoL doesn't mean it will stop completely; people will probably keep using it till they can't anymore, like pc becoming too slow or their home banking site not working.

[-] r_deckard@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I've got an Asus eeePC running WinXP. It's air-gapped and the wi-fi is disabled in BIOS. All it does is play music, connected to dumb speakers. I update the music periodically via USB. Remarkably reliable and long-lived hardware.

[-] VonReposti@feddit.dk 9 points 15 hours ago

Sounds like homelabber paradise is headed for eBay

[-] Disonantezko@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 14 hours ago

Or Win10 IoT LTSC till 2032

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[-] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 15 points 13 hours ago

That problem is that there isn't a better version (not that it was peak in the first place anyway..)

[-] vonxylofon@lemmy.world 133 points 20 hours ago

Microsoft has a Windows 11 problem. Staying on Windows 10 is a symptom.

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[-] ptz@dubvee.org 232 points 21 hours ago

I mean, they could solve it by not making the mandatory successor an ad-laden, AI-infested, personal data harvesting, privacy-nightmare shit show. That would be a start. And also relax whatever the artificial requirement is that makes a lot of Win10 machines incompatible with 11.

[-] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 32 points 19 hours ago

Windows 10 is already an ad-laden, AI-infested, personal data harvesting, privacy-nightmare shit show. The problem with 11 is the ridiculous hardware requirements.

Windows 10 is trash and has always been. Windows 7 was the last good Windows, and I would still use it if it had security updates and DX12 support (I obviously mainly use Linux, but my gaming PC is on Windows, and no, some games I play and software I use 100% do not work on Linux).

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[-] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 43 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

You can bypass the requirements since yeah, they were always artificial. I believe Rufus has an option when creating Win11 install USBs to remove the TPM and other requirements.

But then again, it's nice, because all I need to make sure Microsoft doesn't secretly update my Win10 machine in the night to Win11 is to turn off the TPM in the BIOS.

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[-] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 10 points 13 hours ago

Probably a lower adoption rate than Vista

[-] Defaced@lemmy.world 46 points 18 hours ago

If there was ever a time for valve to push advertising out for the steam deck and steamOS it's now. The final piece of the gaming puzzle is anticheat. If valve gets the proprietary anticheat makers on board then it's all over. Every major hurdle would've been overcome, but games like valorant and call of duty still don't work because of vanguard and ricochet.

With how terrible windows handhelds are, imagine how awesome it would be for those cod players to be able to play a round of warzone on the toilet? I joke, but seriously, that's the demographic that needs to adopt a platform like the steam deck. That's the barrier valve has to overcome, and I'm worried they just don't care or something even more legally gray is happening, like Microsoft giving game devs incentive to use proprietary anticheat or to just not flip that EAC flag in their code.

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[-] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 44 points 20 hours ago

Many years ago, I attended a Windows XP launch event. The Microsoft presenter had the perfect line to describe how MS views this:
"Why should you upgrade to Windows XP? Because we're going to stop supporting Windows 98!"

This was said completely unironically and with the expectation that people would just do what MS wanted them to do. That attitude hasn't changed in the years since. Win 10 is going to be left behind. You will either upgrade or be vulnerable. Also, MS doesn't care about the home users, they care about the businesses and the money to be had. And businesses will upgrade. They will invariably wait to the last minute and then scramble to get it done. But, whether because they actually give a shit about security or they have to comply with security frameworks (SOX, HIPAA, etc.), they will upgrade. Sure, they will insist on GPOs to disable 90% of the Ads and tracking shit, but they will upgrade.

[-] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 35 points 19 hours ago

Because we're going to stop supporting Windows 98!

At least there was a technical reason there, that Microsoft was merging the two separate codebases for consumer Windows and enterprise Windows, and building on the better NT codebase than the 95->98->ME codebase.

And XP was actually way better for the main thing that we were going to be using computers for going forward: networked with the actual internet.

Windows 11? Can't see any paradigm shift in how the operating system itself is supposed to work, at least not on anything that actually makes a difference in a favorable way.

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[-] Magister@lemmy.world 61 points 21 hours ago

I know it's not a hardware compatibility problem. People just don't want ads/tracking/AI bullshit, a removed control panel, settings that are hard to find/hidden, etc.

All intel processor 8th gen+ (and even some 7th gen IIRC) are win11 compatible, motherboard have TPM2 for years, even my intel 6th gen MB have TPM2.0.

Next year the intel 8th gen will have 8 years, people have PC/laptop more recent than that. Problem is that win10 will not get security updates and all.

I'm using MX Linux BTW.

[-] zerofk@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

My 80+ year old parents don’t care about ads or AI. They just want a working PC, and W11 won’t install on the cheap machine they got a few years ago. They’re not going to buy a new one because this works perfectly fine.

And yes they tried Linux for several years, but went back to Windows because it was just too much hassle and not compatible with too many things.

It absolutely is a hardware problem.

[-] CommanderShepard@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Most people don't care or even know that it is AI/ad-infested. I've seen people just fighting through pop-up on multiple websites they use. When ci fronted by me, they just said that they have "tunnel vision" and don't care.

[-] n2burns@lemmy.ca 32 points 19 hours ago

It's not a hardware compatibility problem for you or people who have reasonably new computers. However, for the last decade or so, computers have kind of stagnated and old computers are still very functional, something I couldn't have said a decade or two ago.

I'm typing this on a ThinkPad x201 which was released in 2010. TBF, I've updated it as much as I can (8GB of RAM and an SSD), it's running Linux Mint because Windows drags, and even then it's getting tired.

My Spouse's laptop is an Acer with a 5th gen i3. A couple years ago, she was complaining it was getting a bit slow, so I threw an SSD in it and now she's happy with how it runs Windows 10, and I'm sure it would run Windows 11 fine if a TPM2.0 chip wasn't required.

It's forced obsolesces for a hardware requirement most home users are never going to use.

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[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 23 points 18 hours ago

The author asks many questions, but never the most important one: "Why don't people like Windows 11?"

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