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[-] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 46 points 12 hours ago

Free as in... obeys US foreign policy

[-] hitwright@lemmy.world 12 points 9 hours ago

I'm pretty sure not just the US wants Russia sanctioned to the oblivion. All of the Europe that borders Russia wants that. Now why would it be like that?

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[-] Arelin@lemmy.zip 39 points 12 hours ago

He's gonna ban american and "israeli" maintainers too then, I guess?

[-] hitwright@lemmy.world 9 points 9 hours ago

Why? There aren't any sanctions for them in Finland?

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[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 59 points 14 hours ago

Linus has never been the best communicator, but he usually speaks the truth. But this is just bonkers and wrong. Not everyone living in Russia has "ties with Russia" other than "they were born there". If this is about sanctions, he could have still just told them that. But instead he just disrespected contributors completely and then double down in it by being xenophobic.

[-] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 25 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

It's really disappointing seeing Russian contributors being disrespected like this, the regime that rules Russia wasn't entirely their fault, and allegiance, nationality, and ethnicity are all clearly different things

Also, wouldn't a state sponsored Russian hacker pretend to be from the US or something anyway? No way they'd contribute code as a Russian, that'd just increase others' suspicion

I agree with Linus a lot too but I strongly disagree here. I hope he's just being made to say this because of government policies

[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 11 hours ago

And the most dangerous part here is the whole rethoric of "if you disagree, you are a Russian shill".

[-] Goun@lemmy.ml 30 points 13 hours ago

I don't understand how sanctions can impact free software, tbh, what's free about this? This leaves a weird taste, I have to admit.

[-] Vilian@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 hours ago

Linux foundation is a US company, and he's a EU citizen and there's companies that those devs where employed that are under sanction , hot that hard to understand

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[-] RubicTopaz@lemmy.world 21 points 12 hours ago

Shame to see this shit from torvalds

[-] Mihies@programming.dev 21 points 13 hours ago

I'd really like to see the criteria for delisting people, though. As Russia is not the only one waging wars, there are worse countries out there. I guess it all boils down to Linus being from Finland.

[-] ouch@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago

There may be worse countries, but rest of the word is not in a proxy war with them.

[-] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 20 points 12 hours ago

Yeah the kernel might end up being forked if this shit keeps going. Sanctions affecting open source software like this was not something I expected...

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[-] menemen@lemmy.ml 21 points 14 hours ago

Man, I wish he'd leave the communication to someone else. He is so, so bad at it. And this isn't the first time

The way he attacks critics puts himself in a bad light. But much more importantly, I read this and am still unsure if he has administrative/legal reason, security reasons or political reasons...

If I'd work in Russian propaganda, I'd love this so much. Hope this will not cause disruption in the community.

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[-] blame@hexbear.net 22 points 14 hours ago

the comments on the article started off pretty good but pretty quickly devolved into a cancerous combination of NAFO and Hasbara.

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 73 points 17 hours ago

Banning Israeli contributers too?

[-] JustMarkov@lemmy.ml 44 points 17 hours ago

No, it's not like Israel is attacking its neighbors. It doesn't, does it?

[-] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 23 points 15 hours ago

They would never!

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 19 points 16 hours ago

ALL of them? Not at once. Usually.

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 60 points 17 hours ago

so are we okay with banning development time donated to foss because of nationality?

are these people found to support heinous shit or is this just wartime shenanigans?

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[-] somegeek@programming.dev 9 points 13 hours ago

One of the worst news I've read lately.

Why aren't Israeli maintainers removed? Oh because linux is basically owned by IBM now.

The linux kernel isn't free anymore. It's open source, but not free.

[-] pierre_delecto@hexbear.net 36 points 17 hours ago

Wow, some real clown behavior from Linus.

[-] JustMarkov@lemmy.ml 29 points 17 hours ago

I was expecting an adequate response, but this... I'll just say I'm very disappointed.

[-] savvywolf@pawb.social 109 points 21 hours ago

Huh. Lot of people Russian' to conclusions in this thread.

Sorry.

[-] Gloomy@mander.xyz 51 points 16 hours ago

Shhh. Let Linus Finnish.

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[-] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 hours ago

fremdscham++ 😬

[-] boincboy3000@feddit.org 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Hm i never coded a line in my life, but i always wondered so honest question to the experts here: is it realistic that someone codes security back doors so hidden in other bad or wrong documented code, that nobody recognizes it in OSS community? I mean code is getting more complicated and specialized, dont you need more and more human resources (more than one person and hopefully not all with a bad intention) to check over that code? If im correct you shouldnt let more code into your software than the community is able to check an validate several times... Doesnt mean it has to be russians that need to be excluded idk

[-] ouch@lemmy.world 15 points 9 hours ago

Yes, not only is it realistic, it has actually happened. It's easier to write code than understand it. Even when reviewing code, you miss more or less obvious issues. Not to mention intentional vulnerabilities that can be sneaked in over multiple commits and time span long enough to make reviewers forget the larger context.

[-] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 4 points 10 hours ago

There will be a million security issues across all OSS. Some of it will be intentional; if so definitely don’t expect it to be a “findable” back door. It will be a set of vulnerabilities across several projects, that when combined allow the perpetrators privilege-escalations or a known path through a security system. Removing “Russians” from contribution doesn’t actually stop that, everyone can use a VPN and work as an American or whatever, but it does send a signal.

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[-] rtxn@lemmy.world 82 points 22 hours ago

The comments under the article are a special kind of braindead.

[-] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 65 points 21 hours ago

Always is with Phoronix comments.

You find everything there from "Gnome is satanist" all the way up to pro-genocide crap.

I really don't know what it is about the site that brings out the craziest souch.

[-] LupertEverett@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

The absolute disregard of having any moderation is what does that. If there was any, there wouldn't be the cases like having someone be there by their third account, after the first two got banned.

Not to mention that controversy = angry people and trolls = more clicks = more ad revenue. I don't think Michael wants to miss out on it.

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