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Here in Michigan, we know the Democrats have failed on Gaza – and they’ll pay dearly for it | Mona Mawari (www.theguardian.com)

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These are people who would have never, ever voted for Trump, but billions of dollars are being spent by the Democrats to slaughter our loved ones and our families. Israel has been decimating south Lebanon, where many of our relatives live, and now this administration is deploying US troops to the Middle East. Not exactly a winning strategy if they actually want our votes.

Some people think of a Trump vote as a protest vote. I have heard arguments being made along the lines of “Trump is not the person who is committing the genocide right now” or “Well, we didn’t have any wars under Trump”. I personally disagree with this, and consider Trump to be a fascist and fearmonger who deeply traumatised our communities during his presidency. He was a hateful leader who slammed the door on refugees by implementing a Muslim ban. While he didn’t start any wars, he did escalate existing wars in the Middle East and vetoed a series of bipartisan bills that aimed at prohibiting arms sales to Saudi Arabia.

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[-] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 34 points 5 days ago

This is some weapons grade stupidity. Virtually all the pols in DC are responsible for spending to support Israel. To try and suggest that it's only the dems doing it is disingenuous at best. And whatever you think Harris will do when it comes to Israel, Trump is guaranteed to do far, far worse.

Trump to Israel: “You have to finish up your war. You have to finish it up. You’ve got to get it done,”

[+] sub_ubi@lemmy.ml -11 points 5 days ago

Weapons grade stupidity is believing there's something Biden/Harris are doing to hold Israel back.

[-] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

Did someone suggest she would? I don't know why you are bringing up Biden here, in case you missed it, he's not up for election. Anyway, what I said was, whatever Harris would do if elected, Trump will do far, far worse.

[+] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone -19 points 5 days ago

This is some weapons grade stupidity

Maybe the 'weapons grade stupidity' is thinking that giving weapons to a country that uses them to kill innocent people will make friends with the families of those people.

Actions have consequences. That's what karma is.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago

And the consequence for putting trump in power is going to be many more dead innocents.

I don't know if I'd call that karma so much as the consequence of acting like a petulant child on real world issues.

Admittedly, if you don't actually care about the innocents in the middle East and are just another privileged first worlder who really only cares about themselves, these aren't actually consequences. But for those who will die, they are very real consequences.

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[-] Kethal@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I don't at all understand what the point is here. Do you think that Trumo will support Gazans? Trump has said he would wholeheartedly take Israel's side and provide more support than the current administration. There isn't a choice between what you have and what you want. It's between what you have and something worse than what you have.

Trump winning doesn't force Democrats to support Gazans. It forces them to side with Israel in order to appeal to the electorate.

[+] eldavi@lemmy.ml -6 points 5 days ago

I don’t at all understand what the point is here. Do you think that Trumo will support Gazans

the point is that neither trump or kamala support gazans despite whatever they say and expecting a group with the closest proximity to the genocide to accept your view that one genocide is better than the other is privilege at its worst.

[-] Kethal@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

A black and white view of the world gets you nowhere. There is a huge difference in the way that this administration has handled this war and the way that Trump says he plans to handle it. To say that there is no difference in the degree of support these people would provide to Israel or Gazans is incredibly naive. Your choices are grass flavored ice cream, or shit flavored ice cream. Vanilla isn't on the menu, and you have to pick one. "I don't like either", as if the two choices are the same, is living in a fantasy world.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml -2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

A black and white view of the world gets you nowhere.

take your own advice: there are more options out there beyond democrat or republican and these two have gone to great lengths to convince you that anything else is a fantasy world.

generations of black and white only american voting has led us to this situation and the sooner we start seeing in color the sooner that we can stop accepting genocide as a lesser evil. this system demonstrably only permits black and white voting and perpetuating it will turn that lesser evil into acceptable behavior if we don't stop; knowing that and doing it anyways makes you complicit.

no one is forcing you to vote with a conscience; it's just automatically better than listening to a groupthink that establishes that some genocide can be acceptable from now on.

[-] Chapelgentry@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 5 days ago

Man, I feel like this comment doesn't take the election process in America into account. Sure you could vote 3rd party and have a clean conscience, but it's at the cost of the worst of two options gaining power.

[-] Kethal@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

It also ignores that many of the the non-core policies of both major parties move toward the policies of the winning party. If Trump wins, support for Gaza in both parties will decrease. Not that there's never a reason to vote third party, but nothing about third party voting is advantageous for this particular issue.

[-] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone -5 points 5 days ago

Thanks for saying this.

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