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submitted 2 days ago by maxprime@lemmy.ml to c/linux@lemmy.ml

I’m a teacher and our division just “upgraded” to W11 with a new version of outlook that is basically a web app on desktop. Several times a day my laptop comes to a complete crawl while Teams decides to open itself. Can’t open or close programs, Firefox won’t register mouse clicks, nothing. Graphical glitches appear al the time with menu bars and task bars disappearing regularly, requiring force quitting the app or logging out of the desktop.

When I first switched to Linux I assumed my experience would be like this. But now it’s the other way around.

Rant over.

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[-] Tumbleweeds5@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 hour ago

My home desktop has been on Linux for almost a decade, and a few months ago, my employer certified Linux as a choice for our corporate laptops. I couldn't be happier. If only I managed to convince my wife to take the plunge, but she is the most anti-change person I know when it comes to technology. It took her months to stop complaining when she had to upgrade to Win 10 and her 9 years old computer is slow as it gets right now, it was never re-installed and she rather not risk trying to make it better in fear of breaking something...

[-] jollyrogue@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 hours ago

Debian in WSL is my single favorite thing about Windows work laptop. Real tools! 😃

I’m back on windows for work after a decade away, and all the reasons I left are still there. The tools are still lacking, the layout is non-sensical, prototyping requires expensive subscriptions, and it’s not designed to get work done.

*nixes and macOS, to a lesser extent, are much nicer. The *nixes are designed to get work done. I have my gripes, but good lord they’re small comparatively.

[-] refalo@programming.dev -5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

And here I am looking to move away from Linux after they started rejecting contributions for political reasons.

[-] kshade@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

They removed maintainers that work for Russian corporations, they are not blocking submissions from any Russian citizen.

[-] Mwa@lemm.ee 7 points 11 hours ago

I kinda wish more pcs shipped with linux.

[-] wax@feddit.nu 17 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

My main gripe with windows is that it's gradually turning to adware/spyware after MS decided to go for that sweet data collection revenue. That also means a shift in the focus of the development of the OS, as it's not being developed for the benefit of the users anymore.

That, and software development processed are more tedious. Although today I'm sure I could find a workflow that works with WSL or vcpkg.

Edit: Oh, and everything turning to webapps on the desktop. Love staring at white canvas while it waits for a server response.

[-] FriendBesto@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Gradually? By 10's launch, it was already adware/spyware. 11 is not even attempting to hide it, if you look at it objectively past the PR.

[-] wax@feddit.nu 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Yeah, fair enough. I've just noticed that a clean setup requires more and more workarounds in regedit and policy editor etc. Updates reenabling stuff like that is just infuriating

[-] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 14 hours ago

As someone who has a good windows laptop at home, windows at work is actual garbage. We had a month where you just couldn't use the search function, because the act of typing in the search bar caused enough problems it would close the search bar.

Odds are your home computer is somewhat competent and your work one is a steaming pile of trash not fit for purpose.

[-] maxprime@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 hours ago

I ran arch on it for about a year - it’s a gen 9 i5. During that time I had a desktop that ran W10 on a gen 3 i5 and was quite a competent machine. Then with W11 and the TPM requirement that perfectly good windows box became ewaste.

The laptop is fine. Windows 11 is just garbage.

[-] recarsion@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 15 hours ago

The funniest thing is it doesn't even have to be this way with Windows. I've unfortunately had to go back to dual booting lately but I'm using Win 10 LTSC and I have to say I'm surprised how tolerable it is. I'd still rather not use it but eeh it's fine.

[-] mr_satan 19 points 1 day ago

TL; DR
My experience between Windows and Linux is not much different with how often I have issues. But given the choice I much more prefer my Linux experience.

I hate Windows just as much as the next guy, but this comment section smells a little of confirmation bias.

From my experiece (web dev in a mainly MS branded stack) Windows mostly just works. Yes there are horrendous design, UX choices forced upon me, but I can usually force the OS to do what I need and how I need it.

Now comparing it to my home Pop setup it also mostly just works. There are occasional freezes that require a restart and such, but I wouldn't say it's much more different from Windows.

Now what does differ a lot is that I don't need to fight the OS to do shit. It's way better productivitywise, when I know what I'm doing. Which is deffinetly not the case everytime.

[-] Sas@beehaw.org 5 points 14 hours ago

That last paragraph is exactly what i feel. In Windows it started to feel more and more like I'm fighting against Microsoft and have to be on edge all the time whereas if in Linux something doesn't work it's not because of ill intentions of the people behind the OS.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Pop setup it also mostly just works. There are occasional freezes that require a restart and such

Weird. I used Pop for 3-4 years and not once did it freeze, stutter, or require a restart that wasn't related to an update.

[-] Gebruikersnaam@lemmy.ml 4 points 16 hours ago

For me the pop shop always froze. At least that thought me how to use the terminal. But even regular GNOME software was miles ahead of their shop...

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Oh... Now that you mention the shop, you're right. Mine would freeze up too. I stopped using it, which is why I forgot about it.

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[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

I requested a Windows machine at work a few years ago, because the specs were amazing, and I was getting frustrated with Mac OS. After using the Windows machine for a couple days I was reminded why I don't like Windows anymore, and returned the machine, despite its amazing specs. It just wasn't worth it.

[-] iii@mander.xyz 7 points 1 day ago

Had the same issue with outlook last weeks. 60% CPU usage, doing nothing.

[-] Voltage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago

I use both but windows 11 has been generally stable and visual artifact free for me even more than windows 10. Like i have never seen BSOD on 11 yet but on 10 it was regular.

Btw did you tweak it to remove bloat and crapware? Windows will break if you do it even if the bloat removing tool call it stable.

[-] Routhinator@startrek.website 16 points 1 day ago

I feel the same way about having to use Mac for work and going back to a Linux PC at the end of the day. God damn I hate Mac's UX. From the entire UI, to the CMD key, to the fact that END functions as PGDN and goes to and of page instead of end of line.

[-] ElectricFlux77@programming.dev 7 points 1 day ago

It's bad enough when I have to use a keyboard that moves the pg up/pg dn/home/end keys around. That would absolutely kill my productivity so I'm glad I don't have to use macs.

[-] Bogasse@lemmy.ml 125 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

What a big pile of shit software, I swear I'm just gonna quit because of this ass smelling garbage.

Today I discovered that C:/Users/MyUser was silently an alias of C:/Users/OneDriveBullshit/MyUser only in the explorer. So I just figured out why some documents were often disappearing for months, I'm just working on a multiverse were depending on the application the same path don't lead to the same folder.

Earlier this week I unzipped a file and couldn't remove resulting files without administrator privileges.

I've never lost so much time for any fucking software, let alone a paid one. And don't even get me starting on the fucking ads they put everywhere even if you unchecked the 154 options in 42 different menus.

[-] funkycarrot@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 hours ago

Wow, you just... described the problem we had on our Windows PCs that I never managed to describe

[-] Bogasse@lemmy.ml 57 points 2 days ago

Also, I don't get how people just accept that any input they perform will require an average of 1s for feedback.

But at least now I understand why macs are so popular...

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[-] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

My current company just got bought out earlier this year, we are in the process of rolling all our stuff into their IT infrastructure.

I was lucky enough to get to use Debian as my OS on my old company laptop because I was the only IT at this company. Last week they finally issued me my new corporate laptop, which of course is Windows because the company that bought us out is a 100% Microsoft house.

One of their sys admins was on a call with me to get the laptop set up and working on their VPN, MFA enrollment, it was supposed to be a "quick 15 minute call."

I watched him as he fought remotely with my machine for almost an hour. The VPN wouldn't work no matter what he tried, then the GUI started acting up, then RDP wasn't working right, then MFA wasn't working. This was a brand new installation from their golden image too on a brand new high end laptop.

After about 20 minutes, I told him I was gunna stay on the call muted and to just let me know when everything was working properly. Then I hopped back onto my Linux laptop and spent the rest of the call getting actual work done while their new Windows machine was pooping the bed.

He didn't actually even get it working at the end of the hour lol. He had to remote in later that evening to finish doing a bunch of registry fixes and file purges to finally get the VPN to connect.

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[-] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 53 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

My experience exactly. My current company is rolling out new W11 laptops as the old ones age out.

I'm consistently amazed at how poorly Windows 11 runs on these brand new, $1500 enterprise grade machines. They all have the latest Intel i7 chips, 16GB of DDR5 memory, Nvme 1TB drives, 1440p beautiful screens, and they perform like ass.

Constant lockups, stuttering, slow to wake up, slow to open programs, the fans constantly spin up super loud with almost nothing running in the foreground.

I see frequent GUI glitches and bugs, literally had the WiFi stop working on one yesterday, just wouldn't connect to anything and the tray app wouldn't pop up when clicked. Had to restart the whole computer and log in again to get it to connect.

Meanwhile, the 11 year old retired desktops that I repurposed for internal company resources like Open Project, Uptime Kuma, and Ansible are running plain old Debian with KDE Plasma and are rock solid. They never crash, never freeze up, are always super responsive, and are fast to update. The longest one of them has taken to update was maybe 3 minutes?

Windows on the other hand... Lets just say there's a reason I push updates at the end of the day.

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[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago

My first job I was using Windows, thankfully I was able to use Linux my next 3 jobs in a row. It really helps justify Linux when our production servers are always running Linux.

[-] vithigar@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago

Our production servers are all Linux and we have a fully Linux dev stack. My request for a Linux work machine was denied and we have to work in WSL.

[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago

Sounds like a pretty shitty place to work for then lol

[-] vithigar@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 hours ago

It's not great.

[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 72 points 2 days ago

Software neutrality in the entire public sector should be a law. Leverage of proprietary software and media like professor published book scams are criminal extortion.

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[-] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 27 points 1 day ago

Yeah no, the experience really is ass.
We use Lenovo IdeaPads at work, a model with an i7 and a Nvidia GPU, and Windows constantly chugs and has weird UI issues, even though the machines are not running heavy software and are on a pretty fresh install.

  • Sometimes when I wake the laptop from sleep, it sits and the lock screen showing my wallpaper and NOTHING else.
    Clicking, typing does nothing, I just have to sit there and wait like 2 minutes until it finally decides to show the input field and let me login again.

  • The Network/Sound/Battery tray flyout frequently stops responding. Only goes back to normal after restarting explorer.exe

  • The internal display has scaling while the external doesn't. So every time you drag a window across it "snags" in between them while the application flickers and struggles to switch the scaling.

  • Switching between virtual desktops is so sloooow, if you use a different wallpaper on each you can literally see Windows struggling to swap the wallpapers in time.
    It's impressive how a native OS feature feels like a third-party kludge.

Great work Microsoft.

[-] nobleshift@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Going from my laptops to a client's Windows machine feels like I'm stepping back in time, every time.

Even my Win10 VM is light years ahead of Windows 'proper' because of all of the modifications to make it usable.

MS Windows belongs in a museum, not at an office or on a desk.

(hate spewed at me by Adobe Premiere)

[-] autokludge@programming.dev 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It is basically http://mail.office365.com in an electron shell. I'm pretty sure all the non 'classic' apps are this way now. I'm currently trying out Thunderbird to see if I like it.

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