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submitted 2 days ago by maxprime@lemmy.ml to c/linux@lemmy.ml

I’m a teacher and our division just “upgraded” to W11 with a new version of outlook that is basically a web app on desktop. Several times a day my laptop comes to a complete crawl while Teams decides to open itself. Can’t open or close programs, Firefox won’t register mouse clicks, nothing. Graphical glitches appear al the time with menu bars and task bars disappearing regularly, requiring force quitting the app or logging out of the desktop.

When I first switched to Linux I assumed my experience would be like this. But now it’s the other way around.

Rant over.

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[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago
[-] idotherock@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

Guh. Amen to this! I’m in the same boat. Sometimes I just bring a Linux laptop with me to work just to have a break from the work computer.

[-] cRazi_man@lemm.ee 27 points 2 days ago

We have Linux workstations at work.....and these can only be used to access a remote desktop of a Windows 10 virtual machine. 👍

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago

You can control what programs open on boot in the task manager. Teams was one of the first things I disabled.

[-] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 41 points 2 days ago

That is, if the laptop isn't totally locked down by IT. But knowing school's IT budget that probably isn't the case.

[-] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 25 points 2 days ago

IT "locking down" Laptops often means they just give all power to Microsoft I assume

[-] variants@possumpat.io 8 points 2 days ago

For us you get a popup that sends a ticket to IT and you have to fill out a reason why you need to do whatever it is you are trying to do. Then you wait like 10 minutes and try again to see if it was approved. If it asks for permission again then you need to assume they rejected it

[-] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

Are you serious? "Assuming" is the streamline? DAMN!

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[-] maxprime@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 days ago

I can’t even change the length of time before the screen locks.

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[-] Thrife@feddit.org 19 points 2 days ago

Hate to say but in our office it's the other way around. Teams HAS to start automatically before outlook can be opened manually otherwise the addin for meetings won't load. Every morning I log in, make some coffee and then go talk to colleagues.. Thanks Microsoft for the slow morning, other see this as luxury!

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago

I started using Outlook in my Firefox browser during COVID, and have not gone back. Seems to connect to Teams just fine

[-] maxprime@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 days ago

No, I can’t.

[-] ashley@lemmy.ca 24 points 2 days ago

As an admin who manages windows devices, it’s not only a pain for the end users. I will readily admit that the management tools are quite extensive and somewhat easy to use, but they’re damn near impossible to debug when they don’t work, and that’s quite often. Gpo’s often refuse to apply without reason, those ads on the Lock Screen? You can remove those if you pay for enterprise or education edition. Running pro? Nope you get ads.

[-] YourShadowDani@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

Heres a programming (merge sort?) trick applied to troubleshooting GPOs: turn off half the policies in the GP, did the issue go away? if yes its in the turned off half, if no, turn off another half of the active policies, repeat

[-] flashgnash@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago

I thought outlook had been electron for a while

I've been using the outlook pwa on Linux for some time with no issues, maybe try that instead if it's causing problems for you on windows?

[-] oo1@lemmings.world 1 points 1 day ago

For me, at work it's more MS sharepoint and MS dynamic (+oracle clod shit of course) that fk me over on a daily basis - that's possibly due to the way our IT people don't seem to know how to use them or set them up - and won't let us query(just SELECT) the dynamics tables directly using SQL for whatever reason. (i suspect we have to pay MS to acces our own data). And of course things like MS excel being used to mangle data by default all the time - yeah i know always use power query import . . . just everything takes six extra steps and the easy way is always the worst way.

W10 is mostly okay. I mean it's slow and hard to use, blasts the cpu fan all the time, is still annoying with updates, and I have to "right click open with" to open anything in the application that i want (even when there is only one native appllication for the file format). You get used to working around that shit.

That is just not true for sharepoint and other MS apps, it gets worse, and as soon as you think you get used to a workaround for one thing, something else changes or an old thing resurfaces. and dynamic has just "upgraded" the colour scheme of the status colum so that there is no contrast between the background and the text. black text on white background, good enough for every other column, but no upgrade that one to black on dark blue, thanks bill you're a F-ing-C. how do they screw up things like that as a bajillion dollar company.

So I was going to say that W10 is more or less stable and it is other MS stuff that I hate more. that is probably true. but actually sitting down and writing out the above, W10 is still pretty horrible to . . . whether it's our IT or MS itself, it's shit.

I much prefer my home linuxes, it is just as stable (for me) - and just so much easier to use - and most of all it is quieter on the fan. So much more relaxing.

W11 had better be "not worse" or i'll probably have to quit.

[-] BritishJ@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

For dynamics you have to ask MS for access to the sql back end. Then its granted for several hours as read only. That's why you have to use synapse link to a data lake etc.

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[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 1 day ago

We’re being forced to move everyone to W11 by the end of the year. It’s gonna be hell.

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[-] isAdisplayName@mathstodon.xyz 23 points 2 days ago

@maxprime same lol. Somehow the whole os feels like one gigantic advertisement... That is trying it's best to not let you use your computer

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[-] exu@feditown.com 9 points 1 day ago

When I started my new job I got a pretty unrestricted Windows machine, so I decided to try and use that. WSL is pretty impressive and I managed to work with Emacs and some other tools installed in it until Windows decided stuff should run way slower now. Magit got especially slow doing any git operation.

That weekend I installed Linux (with permission) and it's perfect now.

[-] mr_satan 2 points 1 day ago

There was an issue, don't know how relevant now, with WSL 2 that caused awfully slow host filesystem operations. Not sure if it got fixed by now

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[-] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 days ago

I have to use SharePoint on a daily basis.

[-] bunkyprewster@startrek.website 15 points 2 days ago

We pray for you

[-] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago

You're fucked.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 days ago

I spend a lot of my workday looking at windows that have turned white and "not responding", or clicking on things and waiting a minute to see whether the click worked, or waiting for the Start menu to allow me to type, or waiting for the indexing service to spare me a little bit of my computer for my own use, etc. Then I come home to Linux and remember how computers can actually be fast and satisfying to use.

[-] haerrii@feddit.org 5 points 1 day ago

Oh W11 start menu is so damn slow... I usuall smash Win and then immediately start typing the Application I need. After the Windows 11 upgrade, the menu chokes on the first two letters leaving me with having to redo everything slowly.

[-] Soapbox1858@lemm.ee 10 points 2 days ago

When teams is just doing chat things, it's fine. But the fact that it's the only program that doesn't remember which monitor it is supposed to be on, and never remembers the show on all desktop settings, drives me insane. Not to mention that it seems to restart itself multiple time per day and makes me fix its location each time.

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