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OK, its just a deer, but the future is clear. These things are going to start kill people left and right.

How many kids is Elon going to kill before we shut him down? Whats the number of children we're going to allow Elon to murder every year?

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[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

If you want to motivate people to action, frame it in terms of the property damage they’ll experience to their car when it hits a child. We’ve already seen how far the American public is willing to go for children’s lives, and it’s not very far at all.

[-] JamesStallion@sh.itjust.works 36 points 2 days ago

All cars are death machines

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[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago

AI: %1 chance human, keep going like nothing happened

[-] SpiceDealer@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

OK, its just a deer...

Vegans have left the chat

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[-] Madnessx9@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago

Full speed in the dark, I think most people would failed to avoid that. What's concerning is it does not stop afterwards

[-] jj4211@lemmy.world 39 points 2 days ago

Note that part of the discussion is we shouldn't settle for human limitations when we don't have to. Notably things like LIDAR are considered to give these systems superhuman vision. However, Tesla said 'eyes are good enough for folks, so just cameras'.

The rest of the industry said LIDAR is important and focus on trying to make it more practical.

[-] linearchaos@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

Hell, even not having lidar The thing was pretty clearly a large road obstacle a second and a half out. They had a whole left lane open At least enough time to do a significant speed reduction.

[-] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 6 points 1 day ago

The rest of the industry said LIDAR is important and focus on trying to make it more practical.

Volvo is using LIDAR. I trust them way more than Tesla when it comes to something pertaining to safety.

[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago

Isn't Elon advertising AI as orders of magnitudes better reaction time and much less error prone than a human though...

[-] lando55@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

Remember when they removed ultrasonic and radar sensors in favor of "Tesla Vision"? That decision demonstrably cost people their lives and yet older, proven tech continues to be eschewed in favor of the cutting edge new shiny.

I'm all for pushing the envelope when it comes to advancements in technology and AI in its many forms, but those of us that don't buy Teslas never signed up to volunteer our lives as training data for FSD.

[-] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 3 points 1 day ago

Didn't stop afterwards, didn't even attempt to brake

[-] fatalError@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 2 days ago

I think the LIDAR and other sensors are supposed to be IR and see in the dark.

[-] alsimoneau@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 days ago

Sensors that the Tesla famously doesn't have (afaik, didn't check) because Elon is a dumbass.

[-] formergijoe@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

Too bad Tesla's don't have that. Just cameras and machine learning.

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[-] Hubi@feddit.org 226 points 3 days ago

The poster, who pays Tesla CEO Elon Musk for a subscription to the increasingly far-right social media site, claimed that the FSD software “works awesome” and that a deer in the road is an “edge case.” One might argue that edge cases are actually very important parts of any claimed autonomy suite, given how drivers check out when they feel the car is doing the work, but this owner remains “insanely grateful” to Tesla regardless.

How are these people always such pathetic suckers.

[-] teft@lemmy.world 145 points 3 days ago

I grew up in Maine. Deer in the road isn’t an edge case there. It’s more like a nightly occurrence.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Fences alongside the road and special animal crossings are unfeasible with US roads length, yes?...

I've read that they do that ... somewhere.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 51 points 3 days ago

Same in Kansas. Was in a car that hit one in the 80s and see them often enough that I had to avoid one that was crossing a busy interstste highway last week.

Deer are the opposite of an edge case in the majority of the US.

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[-] homesnatch@lemm.ee 32 points 2 days ago

I watched the whole video.. Mowed down like 90 deer in a row.

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[-] w3dd1e@lemm.ee 47 points 2 days ago

Deer aren’t edge cases. If you are in a rural community or the suburbs, deer are a daily way of life.

As more and more of their forests are destroyed, deer are a daily part of city life. I live in the middle of a large midwestern city; in neighborhood with houses crowded together. I see deer in my lawn regularly.

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[-] blady_blah@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago
  1. Vehicle needed lidar
  2. Vehicle should have a collision detection indicator for anomalous collisions and random mechanical problems
[-] Emerald@lemmy.world 38 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I notice nobody has commented on the fact that the driver should've reacted to the deer. It's not Tesla's responsibility to emergency brake, even if that is a feature in the system. Drivers are responsible for their vehicle's movements at the end of the day.

[-] chaogomu@lemmy.world 37 points 2 days ago

Then it's not "Full self driving". It's at best lane assistance, but I wouldn't trust that either.

Elon needs to shut the fuck up about self driving and maybe issue a full recall, because he's going to get people killed.

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[-] rsuri@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago

True but if Tesla keeps acting like they're on the verge of an unsupervised, steering wheel-free system...this is more evidence that they're not. I doubt we'll see a cybercab with no controls for the next 10 years if the current tech is still ignoring large, highly predictable objects in the road.

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[-] independantiste@sh.itjust.works 88 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Only keeping the regular cameras was a genius move to hold back their full autonomy plans

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[-] nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 2 days ago

Friendly reminder that tesla auto pilot is an AI training on live data. If it hasn't seen something enough times then it won't know to stop. This is how you have a tesla running full speed into an overturned semi and many, many other accidents.

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[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

So, a kid on a bicycle or scooter is an edge case? Fuck the Muskrat and strip him of US citizenship for illegally working in the USA. Another question. WTF was the driver doing?

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[-] bluGill@fedia.io 39 points 2 days ago

Driving is full of edge cases. Humans are also bad drivers who get edge cases wrong all the time.

The real question isn't is Tesla better/worse in anyone in particular, but overall how does Tesla compare. If a Tesla is better in some situations and worse in others and so overall just as bad as a human I can accept it. Is Tesla is overall worse then they shouldn't be driving at all (If they can identify those situations they can stop and make a human take over). If a Tesla is overall better then I'll accept a few edge cases where they are worse.

Tesla claims overall they are better, but they may not be telling the truth. One would think regulators have data for the above - but they are not talking about it.

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah there are edge cases in all directions.

When people want to say that someone is very rare they should say “corner case,” but this doesn’t seem to have made it out of QA lingo and into the popular lexicon.

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