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I genuinely do not know who the bad guys are. S lot of my leftist friends are against Israel, but from what I know Israel was attacked and is responding and trying to get their hostages back.

Enlighten me. Am I wrong? Why am I wrong?

And dumb it down for me, because apparently I'm an idiot.

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[-] NastyNative@mander.xyz 9 points 2 days ago

They are the israeli and Palestinians civilians that just want peace. The majority of the people in these 2 countries just want peace. A year+ of war is not ez or good for anything.

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[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

Identify good and bad based on what people do. Not why they are doing it. Otherwise you're simply agreeing that the ends justify the means.

Someone kills a noncombatant? Bad. Doesn't matter why.

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[-] TonoManza@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 3 days ago

People try to complicate it (not necessarily in this thread) because they want to provide excuses for supporting the genocidal bad guys or not fully opposing them.

The truth is simple, rhe ones actively carrying out a genocide are the bad guys.

The ones resisting it, even if you disagree with their other beliefs/methods, are currently fighting for the good cause, to stop the genocide of their people.

As for

but from what I know Israel was attacked and is responding and trying to get their hostages back.

History didn't start on oct-7, though the media would love people to think so.

Gaza has been an open air prison living under an apartheid state for decades.

Ignoring that the entire strip is practically Israeli hostages, Israel has had far more Palestinian hostages held in Israeli prisons long before oct-7. A major reasoning for the Al-aqsa flood and taking of hostages was to trade those hostages for their own back.

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 days ago

Israel and its settler garrison are carrying out the standard colonialist formula throughout history (epitomized by the US model in its conquest) : eviction and genocide of the indigenous inhabitants, and theft of their lands.

This is defended under many premises, a "religious" calling, a "civilizing" venture (with orientalist undertones), and many others, but the goal is the same as all imperialist ventures: theft of land, labor, and natural resources. People from around the world, no matter how rich or poor, are invited to join in this colonial project, and many do, because of the promise of cheap land.

Predictably, Israel calls anyone who opposes this genocide as "terrorists", even though by all reasonable definition of terrorism, its the settler garrison who are the real terrorists: murdering innocent civilians, stealing their towns, and erasing the old names. In Palestine, the largest of this event was called the Nakba, whereas in the US, the entire 1800s was a westward-expanding colonial war defeating hundreds of native tribes and killing anyone who resisted.

The US is the primary supporter of this project, because Israel is for them, a giant, unsinkable aircraft carrier / military base in the middle east, which can be used to project western military power on the resource-rich middle east. As Joe Biden said: "If Israel didn't exist, it would be necessary for the US to invent one herself."

I suggest watching this video, as its the best short introduction: How Palestine became Colonized.

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