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I know I will probably get downvoted but:
- This is not a comic strip
- Political content on non-politics community
This isn't a non-politics community. There's no rule banning politics in the sidebar. If you want this community to get rid of politics, maybe you could engage in a political campaign to get the assent of the users and then bring your policy proposal to the moderators with a political argument in favour of non-politics.
The most consequential issue for voters this past election was the economy. People are feeling inflation, whether that's through food prices, rent prices, or all of the above.
Harris didn't campaign to that. Instead, she catered to families with children - a diminishing subsect of society - and small businesses. Yes she advocated for a first time home subsidy, but no young person believes they'll truly have enough money to own a home in their lifetime.
Harris ignored the working class. And so they ignored her. Plain and simple. A political party has to fix its constituents' problems, or at least lie about it. She did neither.
Stop making this about voters.
Yes, you're right, it's 100% Harris' fault.
She didn't take the steps needed to make people care enough about stopping a fascist dictatorship.
And it's the voters' fault that they needed to be made to care about stopping a fascist dictatorship? They should have already not wanted their friends to die.
They are both 100% to blame. Because blame isn't a limited resource.
Drag made the following meme in response to the comments in this post: https://lemmy.nz/post/16146432
So I completely understand why people would feel this way, given that Trump won, it must stand to reason that people voted for him more, right? Except that isn’t the case. Trump got fewer votes this election than the last one.
Let me also just add here: Fuck Trump, fuck the GOP, fuck all of the fascists that supported and voted for him. I wish that Hell was real so that they could all go there.
But the reason he won isn’t because people voted for him more, it’s because Kamala’s platform didn’t inspire democrat voters to actually go and vote for her.
You could totally say that in the two party system, choosing not to vote is the same as voting for Trump, but I think that’s not true - a large number of people who voted Biden but didn’t vote Kamala are likely to be opposed to Trump and are likely to participate in protests, activist action and organising against fascism.
You may not understand why someone would be motivated to participate in activism, but not motivated to vote - and I completely understand that too. People who are into electoral politics don’t really grasp how others feel about it.
There are a number of reasons why that could be, but I would say that probably chief among them are the fact that she represented a status quo rather than a shift towards socialism, and because she refused to take a firm position against the ongoing genocide in Gaza
Of course, you’re free to believe as you wish, and I’m not trying to change your mind really - I’m just trying to add a bit of nuance and help explain what happened.
a large number of people who voted Biden but didn’t vote Kamala are likely to be opposed to Trump
That's an intention, a feeling. It's not an action.
and are likely to participate in protests, activist action and organising against fascism.
That's great, but it isn't voting.
These people chose to do nothing about Trump winning the election, and then take on a fascist dictatorship with banners and guns. That's a great idea if you want a civil war. That's a great idea if you think that making people suffer and making them see their friends and family die will radicalise them into revolutionary soldiers.
Is that the plan, or do the people who didn't vote just not have a plan? Were they acting on their emotions? Did they think that it was Kamala's job to make them feel motivated to resist fascism, because the prospect of voting against a fascist dictatorship just isn't a sweet enough deal on its own?
It was a choice between neo-fascist now or neo-fascist later, DragonFucker.
Can you not at least see how people might want to try to find other paths forwards and actually make changes?
I was all for telling folks to vote prior to the election, but I can hugely empathise and understand why they didn't.
Kids in cages, anti-Trans laws, bombs to Israel and Saudi Arabia have only gone up from Bush to Obama to Trump to Biden. The system is the same, it just gets to mask off a bit when Trump is at the helm.
Drag will reiterate drag's point that we are now facing the prospect of actually making changes, as you say, against a fascist dictatorship. That's harder than against a liberal capitalist state. If we're Sisyphus and America is the boulder, then these people just decided to let the boulder roll downhill and smash into a lube factory. That makes it harder to make changes, not easier.
What is the plan in this decision?
I think that if Kamala had been elected, then we would have had four more years of things getting worse under neoliberalism, before getting a fascist in 2028. america is kind of a fascist country, it’s just now that the american people are experiencing it for themselves rather than just subjecting it on others
Four more years for drag's friends to live and find a plan to escape the country. Drag thinks that's a good thing. Do you think it's a bad thing?
I have the utmost sympathy for you and your friends and I hope you’re all okay, and I want to send you as much of my love and support as I can. I wish you all nothing but the best and I hope the world turns. Stay strong, stay hopeful, and remember who the true enemy is, the ruling class, the billionaires, the media, the politicians who sold our future for $$$.
And the voters who chose this.
I think we might differ on how bad we think the status quo of neoliberal US is, DragonFucker.
It may be harder, certainly more violent.
But maybe a wider range of society will be more motivated to take direct action.
Edit: and yes, my theory does explain Nazi Germany. A weak, capitalist state where Socialists and Communists were gaining ground electorally led to far right non-winners given power because that was more palatable than ceeding more ground to the Left. And after that it left global capitalism in a stronger state than ever.
But maybe a wider range of society will be more motivated to take direct action.
Drag has trans friends who live in the USA. Drag does not think their lives are an acceptable price to pay for this plan of yours.
So when will the Democratic Party unveil it's grand plan to actually RESIST all this fascism?
Does anyone have a schedule, perhaps?
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That’s not at all what happened.
The donkey showed people the positions and the people sat at home.
The same assholes as usual voted Republican and that’s how Trump won.
People were lazy, disinterested, and not motivated to vote for the incumbent party.
The people are tired of the Dems presenting them with weak bullshit solutions to their very real problems and being told to get on board because the alternative is worse. The cost of living in America is drowning the middle class and the Dems keep throwing us water wings.
I don't agree that Trump's policies are the answer but I can understand desperate people looking anywhere for some relief.
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2008- Popular vote (D) 69,498,516 vs. [R] 59,948,323
2012- Popular vote (D) 65,915,795 vs. [R] 60,933,504
2016- Popular vote (D) 65,853,514 vs. [R] 62,984,828
2020- Popular vote (D) 81,283,501 vs. [R] 74,223,975
2024- Popular vote (D) 68,092,002 vs. [R] 72,747,033
Trump lost some voters. Kamala lost WAY more voters. Find out why 15 million voters overall didn't vote. Or more particularly, find out why all those voters came out in 2020 and not in 2016 or 2024.
I would say 2020 was more the outlier then anything. Then again, that was right after 4 years of trump and you know waves hands all the crap that happened then.
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It's not their platform was weak. It's that they are weak. They hold their tongue while their opponents are jerking off in their face. They mind their Ps & Qs while someone holds a gun to a child's head somewhere in America. They govern "responsibly" while half the government is on fire. There is no sense of urgency, there is no sense of reality, there is no sense they actually give a fuck.
It's easy to stand up there at the podium and wane intellectual about filling the sky with stars and ask us all to "keep fighting" but where was your fight? How did you lose to this with everything on the line?
Why would we fight for a bunch of fish to be thrown on land so we can sit there and watch them flop around drowning in a political environment that is killing them?
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The ceasefire in Gaza was always bullshit and it was obviously bullshit.
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The problem wasn't Harris or her platform, it was that more than half of American voters are fucking idiots. Massive public stupidity is a problem no politician and no platform can cure. We've spent more than half a century addicting ourselves to entertainment and convenience. We need everything presented to us in memes now. America collectively has shit for brains, so we're going to have a sack of shit for President. Congrats y'all.
Missouri passed a $15 minimum wage law that goes into effect in 2026, and voted to keep abortion legal. Missouri also in general voted for Trump.
People are not the issue. Americans are mostly in favor of a lot of progressive policies. Democrats however failed to package and frame those in a way that would swing voters, however.
I will never stop blaming the Democratic party over the American people.
Fuckin a
People forget that nationwide elections are ordinarily determined by infrequent voters to begin with.
It wasn't high-propensity voters voting for trump, third party, or abstaining, it was ordinary non-political americans who didn't see a point in voting for a status-quo center-right candidate.
People have been screaming at democrats since at least 2008 that they need more progressive, more radical policies, and they've repeatedly avoided addressing those concerns. Trump ran in 2016 as a moderate. He came out on the left of fucking hillary clinton on the war in Iraq and interventionism. She lost to trump because he maneuvered to the left of her, and democrats still have not fucking learned.
Democrats need to let go of their moderate progenitors and re-build their base from the bottom left. They're leaving millions of voters on the table because they keep hamstringing themselves on a bygone era of popular neoliberalism, and there's nobody left to blame now but the party itself.
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Democrats are now hallucinating Harris supporting a ceasefire in Gaza
Harris Doesn’t Support Arms Embargo on Israel, a Top Adviser Says
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