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Summary

Historians suggest Democrats might have fared better against Donald Trump by embracing the economic issues championed by Senator Bernie Sanders, who has long pushed for a focus on “bread-and-butter” concerns for working-class voters.

Despite Kamala Harris’s progressive policies, polls showed Trump was favored on economic issues, particularly among working-class and Hispanic voters.

Historian Leah Wright Rigueur argued that Sanders’ messaging on economic struggles could be key for future Democratic strategies.

Sanders himself criticized the party for “abandoning” the working class, which he said has led to a loss of support across racial lines.

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[-] bruhbeans@lemmy.ml 72 points 1 week ago

The screams of "Dems need to move right" (not from Bernie, obv) are fucking clown shoes and hilarious. She was running around with Liz and Dick Motherfucking Cheney. There's no more right to move to without literally just embracing Trump.

But here's the thing: libs keep cutting their noses off. Why would the actual left give the DNC the fucking time of day? They raise a billion fucking dollars, light it all on fire and go out to brunch. They co-opt movements like the Floyd uprising and metoo but leave everyone else to do the actual work. When we need bodies in the streets, when we need material support, when we fucking TELL THEM WHAT POLICIES WILL WORK FOR US, they spout some 1950s realpolitik bullshit and have some more wine.

Biden: you're immune. Have some fun with it. Show us you have skin I the game. $100 says he keeps up this "when they go low we go high" bullshit and does somewhere between nothing and the bare minimum.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago

Biden: you’re immune. Have some fun with it. Show us you have skin I the game

You may not remember, but it's only been a few months since Biden said he "wouldn't really care if trump won as long as he tried his best".

He literally doesn't have any skin in the game, the party leaders don't really give a fuck.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 week ago

Not only did he say that, he thought it helped show he could continue running after shitting the debate.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

They raise a billion fucking dollars, light it all on fire and go out to brunch.

This is the most infuriating part, and it made me happy I kept replying STOP to all their fucking "ZOMG 10X MATCHING" texts. They blew all that money and their political consultant cronies made out like bandits. They outraised and outspent Trump and have fuck all to show for it.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 week ago

Not only that,they're still sending them to help with recounting.

were on our knees to stop trump, by only fund raising not doing anything to actually deal with the issues

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[-] khornechips@sh.itjust.works 63 points 1 week ago

That’s great analysis except for one detail… what progressive policies?! Like ceding the “border issue” to the republicans? Like backpedaling on fracking when they needed votes from PA? I voted for her because she was the only option but in no universe was her campaign progressive.

[-] krashmo@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago

I think they mean that her running mate did some progressive stuff as governor. Or maybe we're just so far right now that referring to LGBT as if they're human beings counts as being progressive

[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The build back better bill had Republicans calling fixing roads instead of letting them collapse progressive. The 'middle' point on infrastructure seems to be 'let some roads and buildings collapse' like that apartment building in Florida. Roads are something even libertarians want the government to do. It literally doesn't matter what dems say, Republicans will have the media calling it progressive to demonize it.

[-] thisphuckinguy@lemmy.world 60 points 1 week ago

Thats what they get for squeezing Bernie out and giving the people garbage candidates. Eat it, you fools.

[-] That_Devil_Girl@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 week ago

Bernie is a leftist politician. The Democrat party is not a liberal leftist party, they're a conservative corporatist party.

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[-] badbytes@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago

His message hasn't changed. They don't only not listen, but actively oppose his message.

[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Dems imbraced the race to the bottom instead of being a true opposition party. I voted for them this time around but never again unless they make a platform surrounding core left prencipals and left leadership. Many within my communities gave up on political means to help their communities and threw themselves into volunteering, activism, and self sustainability. You can't demand bottomless support and obedience from your base while ignoring their cries for help.

Dems said they are the party of science and facts but wouldn't support universal health care or simply stop sending weapons to Isreal. If they were just as ravenous as republican are, can you honestly say we couldn't achieve those good things?

Dems said the Supreme court and justice system was courupt, but never even investigated the court or made cuts to the militarization of the police forces. Police are still killing people at the same rates with no real accountability. If the Supreme Court was left leaning Republicans would have expanded the court to make it right leaning.

Just do what Republicans do to get there way but for good. I honestly can't think of one dem policy that has been as impactful as some of the top Republican changes in the past 50 years.

Ultimately we need to come together and demand better because if the dems don't change it'll be 50 more years of being steamrolled.

[-] telllos@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Honestly, your democratic party is very right wing to most of European. And you saying people give up on politics and turn to sctivism is so sad.

If the government doesn't take care of his poor, minorities, what are they doing.

[-] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 week ago

If the government doesn't take care of his poor, minorities, what are they doing.

Facilitating the transfer of wealth to the richest fraction of the population.

[-] BlitzoTheOisSilent@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

If the government doesn't take care of his poor, minorities, what are they doing.

Grifting and insider trading.

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[-] ElcaineVolta@kbin.melroy.org 32 points 1 week ago

TIL I'm a fucking historian, apparantly

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[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago

We tried. Biden's Build Back Better bill had a lot of pro-working class stuff in it. We just couldn't pass it with Manchin and Sinema resisting.

Details are important.

[-] moncharleskey@lemmy.zip 42 points 1 week ago

This is about messaging, not policy. Most people don't really pay attention to actual policy, so it's more about convincing your average Joe you're working for them. Bernie had that, Biden and Harris didn't.

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[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 30 points 1 week ago

I think the inherent problem with the build back better deal is it's still framed within the neoliberal trickle down economics of post Regan America.

Would it have increased some workers protections and child care, sure. But it would ultimately be a gift to the shareholders and owners of corporations able to tap into the 3 trillion dollars of funding.

Americans are tired of progressive bills that vicariously improve their lives by further bribing the economic class that actually have their boots on our necks.

People are tired of seeing headlines that the American economy is doing fine while they struggle to put food on the table. Nobody cares if your bosses retirement portfolio is breaking records when they have to pull overtime to maintain the same quality of life they had 20 years ago.

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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

We just couldn’t pass it with Manchin and Sinema resisting.

There are always enough Manchins.

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[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Shame the Democrats just told Bernie he is wrong. Again.

This assumes Democratic leadership thinks winning is more important than bringing the left to heel. Given their behavior that's not a great assumption to make.

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