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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy dismissed U.S. President-elect Donald Trump’s proposal for a rapid peace deal with Russia, arguing it would lead to a “loss” for Ukraine.

Trump, who has repeatedly claimed he could resolve the war in 24 hours, aims for a quick end, but Zelenskyy insists that a rushed settlement would compromise Ukraine’s independence.

Speaking in Budapest, Zelenskyy also rejected Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán’s call for a cease-fire, citing failed attempts in 2014.

Additionally, he warned of North Korean troop involvement in Ukraine if Western allies don’t increase political pressure on Pyongyang.

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[-] backgroundcow@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago

Ukraine don't want to give up territory. Russia demands territory to end the war. Trump has offered to resolve this in 24h. The conclusion seems clear: Trump has to offer Russia some parts of the US in exchange for releasing the occupied regions in Ukraine?

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[-] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 54 points 3 days ago

Solving a complex geopolitical situation involving two nations at war...in 24 hours. I wonder if he was lying?

[-] ChowJeeBai@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago

Wait till he gets to Gaza.

[-] bstix@feddit.dk 2 points 2 days ago

I mean... it's been more than 24 hours by now, hasn't it?

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[-] Montagge@lemmy.zip 116 points 4 days ago

Good job to everyone sacrificing Ukrainian and Palestinian lives to send a message to the Democrats!

[-] NABDad@lemmy.world 68 points 4 days ago

Don't forget all the American lives yet to be sacrificed!

[-] Montagge@lemmy.zip 34 points 4 days ago

But at least they stopped the genocide in Palestine!

[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago

Huh, that's weird, .ml is strangely quiet in this thread, you'd think they would have something to say, considering how much they screamed the last 3 months.

[-] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

The actual creator of Lemmy who I believe is a .ml admin as well, banned me from lemmy.ml because I dared to say that now you have fascism in America because people didn't go out to vote just to protest

[-] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago

I saw the thread about the complaints of voter fraud suddenly stopped. Same here. The calls to end the war have all but disappeared.

[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

Mission accomplished.

[-] Klear@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago

They're waiting for new material.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Oh they'll be in here. Their current narrative is that this is all Harris' fault and also it wouldn't matter if they all voted for Harris because she still wouldn't have won.

One of them told me it wouldn't have mattered if they had all voted for Harris multiple times.

Somehow if they had all voted for Harris 300,000,000,000 times, Trump would still have won.

[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

"Why dont the democrats focus on left causes? We won't for them until they do!"

"So you demand everybody base their policy on an historically very unreliable voting bloc at the expense of all other voters?"

"Obviously!!!"

Meanwhile: "Ban abortion, LGBT and interracial marriage while selling the country to mega corporations? We will follow you to the death, oh second coming of christ!!!" -- Evangelicals

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[-] TBi@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

By stopped I’m assuming you mean “finished”?

[-] vxx@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

They sped it up and they love it

[-] ChowJeeBai@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

Just one-issue voters sticking it to the union as usual.

[-] Solumbran@lemmy.world 125 points 4 days ago

Trump's 24-hours war solving: "Ukraine is now part of Russia"

[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago

Trump to Baltic states: "I am altering the deal, pray I do not alter it further."

Just kidding: "You better say nice things about me or you're next!"

[-] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

It's just crap like this

[-] jaxxed@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

The Baltics are in a much stronger position than Ukraine. They are in Nato already, and are geographically important as a buffer to the only Nato members who actually take Russia as a serious threat (Norway, Sweden, Finland and Poland.) Tactically, air and sea defence of the Baltics is externally feasible, and the Baltics nations have focused on building land defense over the recent years. If you combine this with the obvious Russian war fatigue, and lack of resources, it is clear the Russia doesn't have the capacity to invade the Baltics over the next two years at least, even if the Belarusians participated.

All of this becomes even harder if the Russians are gifted Ukraine and have to occupy it militarily.

[-] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 83 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I often see the argument "Which part of your country would you be willing to cede in the name of peace?"

Normally this would be a valid argument, but in trumps case, I'm sure he'd gladly cede California or some other blue state if it meant he gained something from it. He has no scruples or integrity, and thinks other heads of state are the same.

[-] soar@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

As a Canadian I accept California as our next province.

[-] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago

I'm sure a lot of California (except from the meth counties) would like that too these days.

[-] bizzle@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Wait take Illinois too we're good with it I promise

[-] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago
[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I can’t wait for Texas to leave. They say the want to, fuckin’ do it pussies.

Edit: yes, I know there are many innocent people there, but it’s not like the federal government is protecting them now anyway.

[-] maplebar@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

I'm pretty sure most of the blue states, California especially, would be happy to leave the union at this point. What's in it for us?

[-] soar@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Imagine all the blue states (2 of which are top 3 in GDP) left the states?! I'll gladly accept Cali and NY into Canada!

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago
[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

I would gladly be willing to cede Alabama, Mississippi and Texas for peace.

With a slightly growling Chihuahua I saw across the street.

Or like, a baby kitten that wanted my ball of string.

You know what? This conversation is concerning me, here, take my Texas, please!

[-] stringere@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago
[-] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 days ago

honestly any that wants to leave (by a democratic referendum) and doesn't cause any exclaves or enclaves to exist

[-] superkret@feddit.org 5 points 4 days ago

Saxony. Although it's basically controlled by Russia already.

[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Add Thüringen too.

[-] joyjoy@lemm.ee 3 points 3 days ago

Dumb question, how would the electoral college be reallocated if a large state like California left?

[-] Klear@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It needs to be realocated even now and it isn't. No reason to think a secession would change things.

[-] perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Interesting video about the subject from Ryan McBeth

[-] takeda@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Ryan is good explaining how military operates, how weapon works, but this is really about predicting what trump will do, and frankly this is much harder to do.

We talk about common sense, it is a non brainier, as helping Ukraine stop Russia is the most beneficial thing for the US and the West. As he pointed out, Ukraine losing likely will bring war to the rest of the Europe and Taiwan, but trump might not care.

What worries me is that so far trump never stood up against putin, he insulted many world leaders, but never did that to putin.

The reason likely is that he was almost bankrupt and putin help him get on his feet, he has a huge debt to him.

I also link to Anders Puck Nielsen https://youtu.be/gOwjmKMmkV4 he is generally more familiar with strategy and so far was on point in his comments (I also believe Ryan is watching him too). Again, we are trying to predict what trump will do, which is not as easy and his decisions seem to be more about what gives him immediate benefit.

The absolute worst scenario that could happen is that the NATO collapses. I hope that won't happen.

Trump has been a Russian asset since the 80s. His ties to Russian criminal organizations have been known since then, but the FBI has never been able to get any charges to stick.

The CIA believed that he gave Putin information about current intelligence operations and agents against Russia during his presidency enough to request an inquiry which led to the FBI raid on Mar a Lago, where they found confidential documents on CIA activity amongst all the other confidential documents illegally held there after his term.

He will side with Russia, guaranteed.

[-] Mirshe@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

The CIA has good reason to believe Trump gave information, because in the span of several weeks after a private meeting with Putin while Trump was president, a whole pile of their Russian and Eastern European intelligence agents and assets dropped off the face of the Earth or wound up dead.

Exactly what I was referring to. It's one of the reasons that the CIA requested the FBI inquiry into Trump that resulted in the raid on Mar a Lago.

[-] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

but this is really about predicting what trump will do

Trump plays pigeon chess — it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory.

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