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I'm an unfortunate captive of the oligopoly of the internet industry in the USA. In many places, you have 2-3 choices of internet, and all of them suck ass. I'm in this situation. All internet providers in my area have a 1-1.5 terabyte data cap. So when I download Call of Duty for 250 gb and it fails and has to update or reinstall, I've wasted 500 gb, and have now reached 50% of my data cap in just 1 day. There are crazy fees, for example, Cox Cable says:

If you go over, we’ll automatically add 50 gigabytes of data for $10 to your next bill. That's enough for about 15 hours of streaming HD video. If you use that 50 gigabytes, we automatically add another 50 gigabytes for $10 and so on until you reach our $100 limit of data overage charges or until your next usage cycle begins.

So your $90 a month internet can easily become $190 a month, which is fuckin criminal, like that is so scummy and asinine how that can even be legal. But it is perfectly legal. The FCC is also looking into these data caps but now that we have a new anti-federal government president elect... This is probably toast.... Nothing will change now that most federal agencies are about to be deleted.

From a technology standpoint too, nothing is really getting better

Comcast is still using Coax instead of Fiber Optic and desperately trying to convince people that somehow, someway coax can be just as good. Do with that info what you will, I have no opinions on it. There was a Federal program started recently to expand rural internet access, which will probably be gutted in 2025 leaving many without suitable internet again. Fiber Optic is fast, but still, not new technology, and doesn't solve a critical issue.... It doesn't matter if you have 2 Gigabit internet if no one in the world is uploading even half that fast. A single download on Steam is like 450 Mbps, Epic Games launcher is horrifically slow. I get like 120 Mbps max when downloading Fortnite updates even with 1500 Mbps internet hard wired to my router with top tier hardware

It's just sad to think about the future of internet in the USA, and knowing we'll be imprisoned by these data caps for the foreseeable future.

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[-] mortimer@lemmy.world 92 points 4 days ago

Unlimited full fibre here in the rural nothern Highlands of Scotland for £35 per month.

Your internet seems similar to your politicians: useless and expensive.

[-] francisfordpoopola@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

I normally don't like to admit this but you're right. OP needs to move.

[-] mortimer@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

In all honesty and without any sarcasm that was obviously present in my previous comment, looking in at the US as an outsider, I don't hold out much hope for America. It's not just Team Trump, it's the whole system. The previous lot weren't much better (and often sometimes worse). Everything seems extremely polarised which will never pan out well. Big corporations seem to control everything (from internet and food to finance and pharma), there's no free health care (a human right considered by many countries but viewed as communism by America). I could go on and on, but I would only sound unnecessarily negative. A good idea would be to get out and get off an obvious sinking ship. This is probably easier said than done, but there's always a way. Don't get me wrong, it's not perfect elsewhere, but I think once the US collapses it'll be a wake-up call for a lot of countries who will also have to adjust having relied so heavily on America through trade as well as culturally. If too big to fail was a real thing, then we wouldn't have history books full of empires collapsing. With all sincerity, good luck.

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[-] KoalaUnknown@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

OP needs to move.

Unfortunately, most counties don’t want us Americans (and I don’t blame them).

Edit: Unless you’re rich that is.

[-] interurbain1er@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 days ago

France reporting, same price and that's because I'm using the more expensive provider that is the most reliable in my rural area.

Our politicians are completely useless though.

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[-] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 81 points 4 days ago

It doesn't matter if you have 2 Gigabit internet if no one in the world is uploading even half that fast.

Just to point out something, yes, there may not be many services online (except torrents perhaps) that will max out your gigabit connection, but you are looking at it from the perspective of a single user. I'm in a family of four, also with a roommate in the house, and with everyone gaming and streaming and doing their thing, it can easily saturate it. We had to pay extra for no caps though or we'd be toast. They at least did offer that. Dicks.

Anyway the point of a high speed connection is to be able to do many things simultaneously, not really one giant thing by itself.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 16 points 4 days ago

there may not be many services online (except torrents perhaps)

Hmm... arr, matey

[-] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 9 points 4 days ago
[-] Zier@fedia.io 52 points 4 days ago

This is the USA, it's all a pay-as-you-go country. You will be required to work yourself to death to be able to have anything nice at all. That's the model. Corporations make the rules, the government will not help us. Economy, corporate profits and giving money to the wealthy are the priorities. Nothing else matters.

[-] Joeffect@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

Some places have banned data caps, I live in one such place... And I think the FCC was looking for feedback on the hate of data caps... If you want change go out and make it

[-] Toribor@corndog.social 22 points 4 days ago

the FCC was looking for feedback on the hate of data caps

A Republican lead FCC (Ajit Pai or some other smug fuck) will never mobilize the FCC to curb unfair and unreasonable data caps.

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[-] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago

Yeah, pretty much. The way the rest of the world deals with it is by splitting the infrastructure maintenance and retail sides to eliminate the profit incentive to not do maintenance.

You have a company who owns a/the fibre network in an area and is obligated by anti-monopoly rules to sell access to the network at the same rate and terms to anyone who wants it. They have a profit incentive to maintain the network to a reasonable standard because having a functioning network is how they make money. In a lot of places this wholesale provider will be at least part government owned given that the government usually pays a good chunk of the cost to build out large national infrastructure projects like fibre networks.

Separately, you have retail ISPs who buy access to the fibre network (or 4g, satellite, ...) and sell it to the public along with value adds like tech support, IP addresses, peering agreement etc.

It's never work in the US because holding private companies accountable for how they spend public money and maintaining well regulated competitive markets is communism or something.

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago

It's never work in the US because holding private companies accountable for how they spend public money and maintaining well regulated competitive markets is communism or something

It did work in the US for many years. During the 90's the Internet was regulated like that. Phone lines, t1's etc were infrastructure that the ilec was required to provide at the same cost to isps they used internally to sell service to consumers.

Then Bush came in and ruled that fiber and cable were immune from those common carrier laws.

[-] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Internet in NZ used to work a bit like the US does now with one large ISP that is also the network operator and gave exactly zero shits about quality of connections or internationally competitive pricing, except they got greedy and charged their retail arm half what they charged their competitors. Anti-monopoly folks got very pissy about this and managed to get the largest fine permitted by law, forced them to split their wholesale arm off into a separate company, banned them from tendering on the government-funded fibre network (which cost them literally billions of dollars) and then changed the law so that if they did it again there wouldn't be a cap on the penalty they could impose.

In 20 years we went from ~35th of the 38 OECD countries in internet speed and accessibility to 9th. Markets only work long-term if you actually regulate them

[-] shadow@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 4 days ago

This is exactly how my local municipal fiber network works. The the county owns, and builds put, the fiber network and maintains it, selling network access to local ISPs who sell to customers.

Only shitty part is that if you want to have a connection built out that isn't on their plan, you have to fund the fiber run to you from wherever the nearest spot is, and that can be many thousands of dollars.

I imagine if we expanded the program like you're talking about in the rest of the world, we could actually run it fine, like, we have the ability to... It's just that the people in power are fucking awful.

[-] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 19 points 4 days ago

Not only aren't we going to get better internet, the internet in the united states you're using right now, is going to be unrecognizable in the next 12 months, all free services will charge, cost for access will increase, vpn usage will be curtailed, and pirate sites will be blocked. Better? We just re-elected a fascist tyrant who wants to close as many avenues of free speech against him as he possibly can, as well as funnel as much cash to media and tech oligarchs as he can to keep them onside, and now he's got both the house and senate with which to do just that.

Better? dude.

[-] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 4 days ago

VPNs and piracy aren't going anywhere. Unfortunately, data caps won't be going away either.

[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 10 points 4 days ago

VPNs and piracy aren’t going anywhere.

That's not true at all.
They'll both be going on my next PC!

[-] vithigar@lemmy.ca 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It doesn't matter if you have 2 Gigabit internet if no one in the world is uploading even half that fast. A single download on Steam is like 450 Mbps

This sounds more like the infrastructure in your area just isn't up to delivering those speeds, regardless what the last mile to the home is.

I promise you Steam's CDN absolutely can deliver more than 450Mbps. It regularly maxes out my 1.5 Gbps at home, and I have no doubt that it could potentially go even faster than that if I had a better connection.

Like plugging a 10Gbps network switch into a 100Mbps gateway, it sounds like a fast final link to the home is being choked out by poor infrastructure in the region and can't be fully utilized.

[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 13 points 4 days ago

The 18-26 year olds just signed over our country to billionaire fascists. I had hopes for them, but they are collectively idiots. Born into late stage capitalism, spent their formative years growing up in the Age of Hate, and actively chugged down propaganda via YouTube and all social media.

No, we are not.

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[-] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 10 points 4 days ago

And isn't signing over the country to corporations something that's been going on since the 1970s or something? I mean that comment is wrong on any level.

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[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Rural island off the coast of a european country:

10g fiber for $65/mo (I don't even think they cared, I asked for more and I think they made up a number).

House literally down the street from google in silicon valley:

Comcrap $100 for shit cable, I'm paying $250 for actual upload speed.

This country is ruled by the corrupt.

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[-] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Pretty sure it depends on where you live. My CenturyLink gigabit internet in Seattle is superb, symmetrical up/down, $75/mo. Haven't had significant problems in 10 or 15 years.

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[-] ohlaph@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

No, once the FTC is gutted, the isps will resume their stronghold. Data caps, overages, slower speeds, etc.

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[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

The solution is pretty obvious.

  1. Be rich
  2. Step 2 is for poor people
  3. Why do all these poor people want to kill me?
[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 5 points 4 days ago

Wait until net neutrality is completely dead. I predict 1.5 years.

[-] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It's just bizzare to me that there's data caps on your internet plans. Especially since you're already paying 5x more than I'm for unlimited connection. I assume there must be some other reasons for this too than just greed. Perhaps the size of your country? I mean even Texas alone is almost as big as entire Europe.

[-] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 18 points 4 days ago

Texas alone is almost as big as entire Europe.

There has been a fad recently for fake size comparison maps about this, presumably made by insecure Texans with giant trucks and tiny penises

Texas is slightly bigger than France, and about the same size as France and Switzerland combined

[-] YMS@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 4 days ago

And while the USA are roughly double the area of the European Union, the whole continent of Europe is larger than the US.

[-] Jerkface@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Some cities have municipal internet service, which they are able to provide at a much, much lower rate than commercial options. Here's one example of a resident in Lafayette, La. They would on average pay $73.10 annually on the municipal network, versus $690.87 annually on a private network. The same article also shows much lower average rates for commercial networks when they have to compete with public services.

So yeah, it's just greed.

[-] AstridWipenaugh@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

It's totally possible! I live in CO and Comcast had a legal monopoly per state law. Nobody else is allowed to compete with their cable service. But you know what isn't cable? Fiber! A local broadband company just installed fiber in my neighborhood this spring. I signed up for $89/mo gigabit service, no data cap, no installation fees at all. Between when I signed up and when they turned on service, they upgraded my service to 1.2 gigabit, same monthly price, no cap, no commitment, no upsell (their only other service is rural satellite Internet).

I talked to the technician installing it and he said they aren't getting any subsidies from anyone. Not the city, state, or fed. It's simply economically viable to run new gigabit fiber for $89/mo. All it takes is a company that can make the initial infrastructure investment.

[-] LogicalAIs@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Not a chance.

[-] lurch@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 days ago

I'm in EU and I have 2 different internet connections without a data cap, because I work from home and don't want to commute to the office if one type is down. Both have bandwith caps tho (that way they are cheaper and it's still good enough for me).

However, I want to suggest you use traffic shaping. In Linux, I used "trickle" many years ago, so I could download things without disturbing my family streaming or video calling. Idk how it works in other OSes, but the idea is to send a big download through a special network filter that slows it down to your configured bandwith, delaying it so much that you don't reach your bandwidth cap. (The dowload will take months.) Also, I think I have seen something like this built into Steam and Filezilla. If I remember correctly Steam also had the option to pause downloads manually, but you have to remember to keep an eye on it, if you do that.

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[-] notannpc@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

It’s definitely not going to happen in the next 4.5 years. Paying the extra for unlimited data is basically a must these days.

To make myself feel better about it, I try to use as much data as possible every month. Not because there’s actually a good reason for the data caps, but because I’m spending the money, so I might as well. My personal best so far is 7TB in a month 😂

[-] CatZoomies@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

Wow, 7 TB in a month?

Slaps roof of internet router

You can fit a lot of Linux ISOs in that data cap!

[-] notannpc@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

So many Linux ISOs 😅 definitely not anything else.

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[-] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

1.9TB is our high and that’s with 2 adults and 3 data hungry kids. 7TB!? Good lord!

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[-] Shimitar@feddit.it 4 points 4 days ago

Crappy (30-40mbit/sec) but uncapped FTTC here, plus 5G FVA at 300mbit/sec but 1Tb monthly cap here.

Combining both and separating heavy traffic (fucking fortnite and many steam big games) on the crappy uncapoed, and arr'ing too, leaves tons of data for high speed anything.

Total cost? 22€ + 24€ = 46€/month, no surprises. A lot more expensive than having fiber indeed, but I am deep into the woods, so.

Ah, and when i go over my 1Tb data cap on the FVA, I get throttled to 6mbit/sec, nothing extra to pay.

[-] borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 days ago

So I’m familiar with the Fiber to the Cabinet/Curb (FTTC), but the only FVA I’m familiar with is an attenuator and I know you’re not talking about checking light levels through fiber. What’s FVA in this context?

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I had to sign up for a business account because of Cox's data cap. Sadly they're my only option and they suck ass.

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Well, we've just crossed into what will be a third-phase Corporatocracy, and a Monopoly gamed service industry.

You have other options now that are not the usual players, but then you're giving money to Starlink.

You have the option of organizing to create a local fiber concern as a public utility, but in a few months they'll pass laws preventing that from ever happening.

Your best option on the Internet between is an unlimited cell plan and a hotspot, and it's not a great option, but the competition is still so heavy that your bill won't change. Higher latency, but probably decent throughput.

[-] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Well, maybe now with a republican FCC

lol, no

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 4 points 4 days ago

Yeah, you guys are screwed.

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