Are "fat bikes" the over powered electric motorcycles? 'Cause we got problems with those in the United States, too.
From the article:
The article mentions "SUV-ization" of the bycicle.
the 'form factor' isn't the problem. a 'cool' tricked-out bike could just be cosmetics, tire size and suspension; and still have a legally allowed motor output and a safe rider.
it's the modifications to bypass power limits (some can go 60+ km/h, where the legal limit is closer to 25) or swap out motors for much stronger ones, and how reckless some people ride.
the difference is that's objectively cool whereas there's nothing cool about an SUV
What makes you think the reasons you think this is cool is different from the reasons why other people find SUV cool? This article mentions the similarities.
Just add 2 more wheels and a big bumper front and back, maybe a passenger seat or two and a trailer behind it, enclose it in a weatherproofing shell then it'd be cooler.
/s
Technically no, but people are really confused with terminology around electric bikes of all sorts. Fatbikes are just a bicycle with oversized tires. When we look at mountainbike tires, they typically stop at around 2.6, maybe 2.8 inches in width. Fatbikes are more around 3.8 or even more, and are typically intended for snowy areas, or if you just want the extra cushioning off road. What people nowadays cry about and describe as "fatbike" is more of an electric moped.
Fatbikes look cool but lose one of the main advantages of bicycles, which is that you can easily carry them, whether up stairs, onto a train or into a car. Electric fatbikes must be even worse for that. Its probably better thinking of them as motorbikes.
As a comparison, the Aventon Level.2 is their city commuter ebike. Stock, it weighs 62 lbs (28 kg). Nobody is carrying that bike up stairs, and it's not a fatbike.
The problem here is people exceeding speed limits in populated places, creating danger.
The ones being referenced are much closer to a moped than a bicycle / fatbike.
I thought these things were a bit dumb, then I figured out that the fatter tires make riding on the cobble stones that are common in my city more comfortable. I still don't want one, but I see that they have their place.
No getting your wheels stuck in tram tracks either. Not relevant everywhere ofcourse but in places where they have trams plenty of people fall and get injured because of tram tracks.
Tram tracks are my second biggest nightmare after car doors!
You can go with regular wide tires for those already. No need for fatbike tires.
Only if you also reduce the air pressure, which comes with its own drawbacks. This is mountainbike 101 basically.
Is that in a "this is what the future could be like" way, or a "grr, war on motorists, blame gay immigrants" way?
I mean, isn't that what we literally already say today?
Not really, for now it is mostly "here's the bike lane", because the street is attributed to cars by default. So this quote is about reversing this mind set.
So what I mean is that cars can only go in car-lanes - you're not allowed to drive on sidewalks, bike lanes, bus lanes and so on.
I may have misunderstood, though.
Yes, I think you're not getting the point, it's about making the default for bikes and pedestrians now, and treating cars as secondary users, that have their smaller delimited special lane.
Could be something lost in translation, or I'm just usually dense today.
Anyway, is this person saying this as a negative? Because I think it's definitely a positive.
He's supporting this change, he's part of the local government developing it. So he's saying that to illustrate the change of mindset.
Based
As I get it, it's about shifting the perspective from everything is for cars and pedestrians are an after thought to something like everything is for pedestrians except this particular piece of road where cars may drive. From "car first", to "pedestrian first".
The article is paywalled, so good luck with it. Isn't "Lemon de" on the conservative carbrain side?
And, yes, speed limits need to be enforced somehow for all motorized vehicles within their contexts. Sidewalks are not for riding fast and bike paths aren't for riding fast either. Speed limiters are most definitely needed, as is a lot of education. Civilization is 100% not ready for "sharable" scooters either.
Le monde is more of a liberal progressist newspaper iirc. But almost all newspapers in france are owned by billionaires either way sooo
Le Monde Group is mainly owned by various rich people, but 25% is owned by employees, and they have specific rights that are not common for billionaire-owned journals, like voting for their own newspaper managing editor and approving changes of shareholders.
Yes, I said it is paywalled a couple of worlds before the link. I was just giving a source for the quote, it's not really the point of the article.
No, Le Monde (The World) is center left, which in France means close to Socialist party, which is close to Bernie Sanders in the USA. It's probably the most well respected newspaper from France.
Fuck Cars
A place to discuss problems of car centric infrastructure or how it hurts us all. Let's explore the bad world of Cars!
Rules
1. Be Civil
You may not agree on ideas, but please do not be needlessly rude or insulting to other people in this community.
2. No hate speech
Don't discriminate or disparage people on the basis of sex, gender, race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, or sexuality.
3. Don't harass people
Don't follow people you disagree with into multiple threads or into PMs to insult, disparage, or otherwise attack them. And certainly don't doxx any non-public figures.
4. Stay on topic
This community is about cars, their externalities in society, car-dependency, and solutions to these.
5. No reposts
Do not repost content that has already been posted in this community.
Moderator discretion will be used to judge reports with regard to the above rules.
Posting Guidelines
In the absence of a flair system on lemmy yet, let’s try to make it easier to scan through posts by type in here by using tags:
- [meta] for discussions/suggestions about this community itself
- [article] for news articles
- [blog] for any blog-style content
- [video] for video resources
- [academic] for academic studies and sources
- [discussion] for text post questions, rants, and/or discussions
- [meme] for memes
- [image] for any non-meme images
- [misc] for anything that doesn’t fall cleanly into any of the other categories