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How Self-Driving Cars will Destroy Cities (and what to do about it) (www.youtube.com)
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[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Interesting video but he played a bit loose with the facts. He talked in great length about that car where a woman was killed by a self driving car, but left it a crucial detail: there was a safety driver on board who didn't do her job. Doesn't exactly help with credibility.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I don't think missing out this fact is all that relevant to the overall point he was trying to make here. These companies are claiming this technology will be safe and it clearly isn't. A safety driver's reaction time is also likely less than a regular driver's as they may not be as connected with the vehicle through the steering wheel and pedals while in self driving mode. The tech in the car may have also influenced the safety driver's judgement about the situation.

[-] pc486@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago

Well, formerly operating companies. The Uber and Cruise examples stopped both of them dead. Uber left the business entirely and Cruise had its license to operate revoked.

That's just omitting info. There's also straight up wrong stuff, like residents not wanting it. As crazy as it sounds, at least with SF, the residents' reps wrote the regulation law and haven't had a measure to reject self-driving cars (at least K passed). The majority want to see these cars. Also, Facebook dumped their move fast motto a decade ago because of how bad it was (self-harm problems).

It's unfortunate too. I like Jason's rants, but it's too distracting when he gets a quick google level of facts wrong.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Did the residents really have informed consent? Were the residents told there was a risk of being dragged under the cars when they agreed for these vehicles? Or how about the people with apartments near the honking parking lots, do they want that happening every night?

[-] thisfro@slrpnk.net 4 points 5 days ago

What is a safety server?

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Oops. Driver. Corrected it, thanks for the heads up.

[-] thisfro@slrpnk.net 1 points 5 days ago

Ah yeah that makes more sense :)

[-] lunarul@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

A human driver who can intervene when needed.

[-] supercriticalcheese@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

I don't think that is crucial as you think, unless the safety driver dragged the passenger around..

[-] cmhe@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

A lot of this is a game of probabilities, which I don't really think we have.

For instance if a normal human driver, without any automation, can prevent 80% of dangerous situations, but the automation can only prevent 50%, and in those situations the human savety driver can prevent only another 50%, because of inattention, this results in just 75% of dangerous situations prevented and the automation is worse.

Maybe someone knows the real probabilities, I don't.

[-] yonder@sh.itjust.works 13 points 5 days ago

[-] yonder@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 days ago

Another great video by NJB. I found the speculations made in the video about the future of self driving cars to be pessimistic but can totally see the future ending up exactly as he describes it.

[-] thisfro@slrpnk.net 12 points 5 days ago

I agree that it is somewhat pessimistic, but the key part is the amount of money in it. History has shown that capitalism (especially in the US) has long lasting impacts that we cannot comprehend yet. I think clear regulations and safety standards are crucial to make AVs useful for people.

[-] yonder@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 days ago

Yup. The worst part is how the problems AVs claim to solve are already solved using existing technology that have other benefits like fewer emissions and physical activity.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

But a handful of people won't get rich off nationalized rail or municipal transit. A handful of people will get rich by private solutions like self driving cars.

[-] thisfro@slrpnk.net 4 points 5 days ago

Exactly this. Also a few self driving cars where they make sense will not make a handful rich.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

I think Jason said it well in the video, "there's no money to be made in making the streets safer, so the only solution to the dangers caused by the old cars has to be buying new cars."

[-] ch00f@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Doesn’t even have to be nationalized. Bring back the railroad barons and lets party like it’s the 20s.

[-] TDCN@feddit.dk 2 points 5 days ago

It is also just as much an issue that all the problems AVs are trying to solve are 100% self inflicted due to how the infrastructure is build. Its not solving the root problem at all that is the car dependency.

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