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[N]o other class of medications in virtually all of medicine inspires more baseless fears, intentional disinformation, and wild beliefs as do the stimulants used to treat ADHD.

Interestingly, these fears are almost entirely an American phenomenon that hardly exists elsewhere in the world.

[H]aving ADHD lowers a person’s estimated life expectancy by 12.7 years.


From other articles on the site:
  • ADHD medication use lowers risk of death by 19%, risk of overdose by 50%, and it reduces hospitalizations

  • [T]he risk of substance abuse decreases substantially when [ADHD] patients are treated with stimulant medication

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[-] PapaEmeritusIII@hexbear.net 28 points 1 month ago

I think a lot of people’s fears come down to some combination of these silly reasons:

  • Drugs bad
  • Drug name is similar to methamphetamine and meth is bad
  • I know someone who abused stimulants and it didn’t go well for them, so that’s what’s going to happen to you too, even if you just take them as prescribed
  • ADHD is fake and you’re just taking drugs because you’re lazy
  • ADHD is real, but if you can’t overcome it through sheer effort of will, you’re lazy. And a drug addict. And that’s bad
  • ADHD is fake; it was invented by big pharma to peddle addictive drugs. So you’re being taken advantage of and you should stop taking your medication
[-] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Sadly, the last sentiment is somewhat common among leftists, such as the Hampton Institute.

[-] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

I'm beginning to worry I may be one of those ADHD adults who needs a dosage higher than than the conservative limit set by the FDA. If that's the case then I'm fucked.

Maybe I should ask about combining it with a non-stimulant drug.

[-] iie@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago

I keep my tolerance low by only taking meds 3–5 days a week. If not for tolerance I would take it every day.

[-] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago

Same here with the 3-5 times a week.

[-] bdazman@hexbear.net 22 points 1 month ago

Wow this is crazy to me. I always believed I was just going to die sooner because I needed stimulants just to hold my job down.

[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 21 points 1 month ago

The FAA prohibits pilots from using ADHD medication for 90 days before getting or exercising the privileges of a pilot's license.

[-] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago

agony-acid

It's proven to lower the risk of auto accidents!

https://sci-hub.st/10.1001/jamapsychiatry.2017.0659

[-] Chronicon@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago

fuck america, god damn lol, even just having a diagnosis fucks you over, then if you treat it using the good and effective available treatments that's an outright ban?

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[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

because sometimes people take them and feel "high" and one of the pillars of global capitalism is the puritanical "suffering is virtuous" ideology that targets drugs that have any positive emotional effect.

It's why we so heavily target opiates*, cannabinoids, and amphetamines.

* yeah even if opiates aren't as safe as other drugs they're important for pain management and their stigma, not their safety, is what drives their repression.

[-] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago

Lower life expectancy? Not like I can afford retirement anyway.

[-] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago

I'd like to know more about these lobbying groups from the 1970s they mentioned.

[-] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago

I suspect that the Scientologists were a large part of this push. Obviously they are vehemently anti-psychiatry and they certainly jumped on the anti-ADHD bandwagon with great gusto but I'm not sure whether or not they were lobbying but I feel like they were a large part of the cultural zeitgeist that claimed that ADHD meds were turning the children into drugged-out zombies.

[-] Poogona@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago

Capitalism really do be making it hard to be on the right frequency doesn't it

It always feels like this sort of quandary is utterly defined by its existence in a world order that lets people who don't perfectly fit their groove starve. Like I can't even picture what the ideal substance relationship would be without capitalism to define why I would take them. I'm picturing someone with ADHD who, without anything to directly coerce them into doing labor, might just have ADHD and live in a way that is comfortable for them, bouncing between tasks and finding their own groove.

This is not at all to say these drugs are dubious, just that whenever I consider this question I wind up feeling especially asphyxiated by the current status quo.

(If I'm completely off the mark someone tell me, this topic is something I used to grapple with a lot before I personally decided against going on antidepressants in high school, and I sometimes wonder if I made a mistake)

[-] QueerCommie@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago

Some ADHDers can probably live like that. Some, like myself, have pretty bad understimulation, but I guess I have yet to see if stimulants make me feel ok.

[-] Poogona@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

I hope it doesn't sound like I'm implying that people shouldn't take meds, that's not how I feel at all. I just can't help but wonder how much of stimulant use (meds of all kinds really) is to help cope with capitalist reality vs to help manage disorders. In a way, it's an arbitrary distinction, since this is the reality we live in, but it just makes the status quo feel all the more opaque to me, like I can't even see what lies beyond.

[-] QueerCommie@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

I totally agree. I tend to argue on your side, I am simply compelled to disagree with people.

[-] luciddaemon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 month ago

I personally stopped taking mine because I felt my emotions where too flat.

Otherwise I think meds are fantastic for anyone with ADHD and have recommended people to look into them.

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Ok sure, but they just feel bad.

[-] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago

I prefer the feeling to not being able to get out of bed tho

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[-] MouthyHooker@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

Bodies/brains are different but Adderall XR is like a miracle drug for me. I have very few side effects, it makes my life easier, and it also helps with emotional regulation.

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[-] AmericaDelendaEst@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

all i know is adderall made me insanely fucking horny and really really good at Heroes of Newerth and League of Legends. It did not make me study or go to class

It still does all those things tho, it did but it still does

To be fair though my adhd assessment was basically going to a GP and saying "hey doctor, i can't read so good no more, it's hard to focus on the page" and he said "yup sounds like the adhd, here's your amphetamines my good sir"

i was 19

[-] AmericaDelendaEst@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

To be fair though my adhd assessment was basically going to a GP and saying "hey doctor, i can't read so good no more, it's hard to focus on the page" and he said "yup sounds like the adhd, here's your amphetamines my good sir"

Which makes it wild that im afraid of getting a legitimate script again, I lost my insurance for 6 years and idk how to ask for drugs without looking like im seeking drugs. I guess i have a medical record? Idk

[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago

ADHD lowers a person’s estimated life expectancy

You WHAT?!

[-] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago

I added the "having" to the beginning of the sentence.

[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago

So having ADHD under capitalism lowers your life expectancy, not like a biological consequence? I wasn't sure what you meant

Like being trans doesn't kill kids, being trans under capitalism kills kids

[-] stigsbandit34z@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago

The bush-created DEA

[-] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

Mechanism being understood doesn't matter if it contradicts hegemonic ideology (many such cases).

[-] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I tried a dexamphetamine a few times and although I went into robot mode and unstacked and restacked a giant shed in about 3 minutes, I felt a big crash at the end.

It just felt unnatural to me I guess.

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[-] pastalicious@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

I decided not to pursue diagnosis when I read that taking stimulants with high blood pressure is bad. I’d be happy to have this notion corrected.

[-] PapaEmeritusIII@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago

I don’t have the medical knowledge to comment on the blood pressure thing, but I do know that there are several non-stimulant ADHD medication options these days.

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