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[-] SoylentBlake@lemm.ee 22 points 4 hours ago

With an exception carved out for Tesla, I'm sure.

In the same vein, all the techbros who voted for Trump are gonna be real asshurt once immigration exemptions are made for tech workers

Like silicon valley is gonna be forced to pay market rate for American talent, pffh, c'mon now. Wages are like prices but the opposite. Prices always go up and never back down. Wages always come down and never go back up. Tech workers enshittification will commence at triple pace now

[-] philpo@feddit.org 5 points 1 hour ago

Musk actually has stated multiple times that he is all for abandoning the subsidies as his own margin is big enough to sustain prices but it will "destroy" his competition.

[-] Frodo@startrek.website 8 points 4 hours ago
[-] zephorah@lemm.ee 5 points 4 hours ago

Given our current education deficit, we’ve already had to import quite a bit of talent to keep up with being a first world country.

Example: when was the last time you encountered an Indian doctor?

Given the plans to make real/higher education accessible only to the wealthy, we’re going to need to import even more talent.

[-] Hirom@beehaw.org 33 points 6 hours ago

EV producers in the US are going to take a hit, whereas the ones in China and the EU would probably be fine.

Sounds like shooting itself in the foot.

[-] Glide@lemmy.ca 34 points 6 hours ago

Describe Trumps presidency in one sentence.

Sounds like shooting itself in the foot.

[-] Hirom@beehaw.org 21 points 6 hours ago

It's worse than that. Trump is a danger for the environment and climate. And the whole world will suffer consequence.

[-] lefaucet@slrpnk.net 1 points 55 minutes ago

Shooting everyone in the foot?

[-] DdCno1@beehaw.org 8 points 5 hours ago

Also wars, future pandemics, any kind of global cooperation that depends on the White House not being a madhouse, which is a lot.

[-] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 11 points 5 hours ago

Especially right after everyone began retooling factories to produce them and the rest of the world leaves us behind in development. America will be producing the Yugos of the 1980s in a few short years.

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 hours ago

If memory serves me well, Yugos were made in former Yugoslavia and were known for being extremely cheap and dangerous for everyone in and around them. Am I correct?

But this makes me scratch my head.

American manufacturers exist in Europe today and regardless of not being a fan the cars sell, regardless the constant attempts to introduce pure US models, like the F series.

Ford may be the most widespread manufacturer but I've seen a few Dodge, Chevrolet (but GM officially pulled from the market after a 3 years run, stating it wasn't willing to remain in a market where a minimum 25% of market share wasn't attainable; competition sucks, apparently!), JEEP and Chrysler.

What is stopping these brands to import back the technology being used here, on their european models, back to the home country? It's already owned here!

I remember reading an article on a joint project between GM and FIAT to develop a new and shared platform. After X number of years and a gross amount of money invested, GM drops the project, FIAT finishes it and starts building an entire new generation of cars, still being built today.

Why put time, money and effort into a project to just drop it? Having a shared platform, capable of being used to assemble vehicles on both sides of the ocean makes sense.

[-] dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de 16 points 6 hours ago

Wanna bet if Tesla gets an exception?

[-] philpo@feddit.org 2 points 1 hour ago

No,but Musk has already stated that he actually wants that bonus gone because his own margin is high enough to keep the prices nearly the same while it will (quote) "destroy the remaining car industry".

[-] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 6 hours ago

Yes but you only get the subsidy if you buy Melania's book

German car makers are unfortunately dealing with the same issue since the incentives were cancelled.

[-] philpo@feddit.org 1 points 1 hour ago

No. They deal with the fact that they didn't start the technological race until it was too late (and haven't fully committed themselves even nowadays) and that they strongly build their sale strategy on the Chinese market - which nowadays is basically an EV market and one where German cars are now seen as either preposterous or "Grandfathers car".

This comes together with a price hike (not only on EVs but also across their fleet - starting long before EVs were common and affecting the combustion fleet as well; see the price of the Golf or Passat compared to an average worker wage over the last 20 years + it's resale value), a major lack of quality control since COVID and a lack of financial planning for this upcoming storm.

In other words: Their problem was not the end of the subsidies (which basically only affected the ID3 anyway as neither VW nor BMW or MB had any other models below the maximum price threshold for the subsidy) but their lack of management flexibility in time with a rapidly changing market.

[-] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 13 points 6 hours ago

Take him deeper Elon!

[-] witx@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 4 hours ago

Elon is not taking it deep enough

[-] papertowels@lemmy.one 3 points 2 hours ago

Apparently Tesla's on board with this. Their thinking, which I think is correct, is that the rebate benefits other manufacturers more since Tesla is much more established as an EV brand.

[-] megopie@beehaw.org 1 points 2 hours ago

the problem is that they’re also one of the more expensive options. And they have a pretty bad reputation for quality now. So a 7,500 price increase is probably going to push people to look for higher quality at the 40 thousand price range, or for one of the cheaper options in the 30 thousand range. Assuming they don’t just go for a Prius instead.

[-] papertowels@lemmy.one 4 points 2 hours ago

Imo anyone considering a Tesla won't really care about the price and quality, for the reasons you describe. They're there for the brand.

[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 hour ago

Apple users

[-] philpo@feddit.org 1 points 1 hour ago

Tesla, according to Musk,can keep the prices due to their insane margins. Musk actually wants these subsidies cut to destroy his competition.

[-] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 7 points 6 hours ago

First lady is not going to be happy about it

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