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Most people have no idea a leftist isn't just a weirdo way of saying liberal
No. They would be morons and vote against socialism even if it's good for them.
The DNC will never let a leftist get past the primaries. They'd sooner lose, as they've shown us for the last 3 elections.
A lot of people don't know the difference between establishment Democrats and liberals.
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Maybe, but that's not the question.
No. And they've said as much.
"Clinton would not pledge to support Sanders if he won the 2020 Democratic nomination."
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-sen-bernie-sanders-likes/story?id=68424746
“However – I do reject socialism as a economic system. If people have that view, that’s their view. That is not the view of the Democratic Party.” - Pelosi
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/15/politics/nancy-pelosi-socialism/index.html
It's so sad to see this, especially knowing that while you can like or dislike Clinton and Pelosi, I doubt they are unware that Sanders is not proposing socialism. Socialism and social democracy are two very, vastly different things. And they for sure know this very well.
I sincerely hope that Sanders will found a new party soon, it will have 4 years to gain momentum. Will it win in the next election cycle? No, but it might actually get enough votes to win in 8 or 12 years. Just do it.
Does Sanders have enough life left in him to develop a far-left party? How will it differ from the existing left-leaning third-parties? How would the party stand out and "matter?" Relevant XKCD
I ask these things as a perennially disappointed minarchist classical liberal.
I'm not sure how much these endorsements actually matter... Lord knows Liz Cheney's endorsing Kamala didn't tip the scales.
Would establishment libs support a leftist? Maybe not. But that doesn't mean that voters would necessarily follow suit.
That's a fair point.
Your link is Clinton saying she won't say before the primary is over whether she would support Sanders. It's not even her saying she wouldn't do it, let alone all liberals saying it.
The amount of disinformation spread here is amazing.
Let me put it this way... Here's the 2020 DNC primary donations:
You know when conservatives post pictures of counties being all one color thus showing significant voting support most people speak up about how land doesn't vote and explain why those maps are kind of useless. Just food for thought.
my thought immediately when seeing this. interesting to see the geographic spread but misleading to frame it as more area = more popular
This is not colorblind friendly at all.
Yeah, that's terrible color choice (I'm assuming, anyway, since Pete and sanders are presumably meant to be different colors)
It also lacks a key
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man where's yang
Would liberals support him? Sure.
Would liberals support her? No.
This is the real answer.
Too many white and hispanic men feel too insecure to vote for a woman.
Yup. And not just those voters. It’s an issue in most groups.
There are even plenty of women that won’t vote for a woman.
They totally would, until they disagreed with a single one of his policies.
Nobody agrees on what those words mean so it's a confusing question. Clearly he would have had a better chance of winning.
No. Liberals have always been closer to fascists than socialists. Look which way liberals in Weimar Germany went.
The word "liberals" means something else in Germany than in the US. The closes analogy would be Democrats=SPD and Republicans=CDU, which are the two biggest parties. When Hitler took over, the CDU fell in line while the SPD resisted. The SPD then was also a lot more leftist than it is now. It's pretty much centrist now and only slightly more to the left than the conservative CDU.
Back then, the SPD had politicians with a backbone made of steel! Hitler tried to intimidate the members of parliament by having the SS and SA surround the building (Krolloper), and for the most part, this tactic worked. However, Otto Wels and the SPD stood firm and voted against the 'Ermächtigungsgesetz' (Enabling Act). In his famous speech, Wels declared: 'You can take away our freedom and our lives, but not our honor.' Many SPD members paid the ultimate price for their courage, and Otto Wels himself died in exile in France in 1939.
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We know the answer to that from how Bernie was treated
Yes, but that's keeping in mind that, contrary to popular belief among the types that go on Lemmy, most people aren't ideological. They don't care that Democrat A is this and Democrat B is that, they care about who they think will help their lives, ideology be damned. So, a lot of the people that socialists would call "libs" would vote for Bernie, BUT, most of those people think of Sanders primarily as "more liberal."
People who are actively aware of the difference between neoliberalism and social democracy, I'm not sure. But I honestly think they're a rounding error in US politics.
Socialists are very, very aware that the oppressed masses of people that don't know what words mean love socialist policies when they don't know they're socialist.
If they'd shut the fuck up moaning about liberals all the time yeah
That’s the problem
Assuming Bernie could get on the ticket, I absolutely believe people would have voted for him.
The problem is of course getting him on the ticket.
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I think democrats would, for the most part. Perhaps less enthusiastically, but since they hate Trump, I think it would not be a major issue.
The question is, how would low-information unaffiliated voters respond to having a socialist in the ballot? This is a difficult question to answer. Traditionally socialism is a bad word in US politics, albeit less so with younger voters.
Personally I don’t really buy the “Bernie would have won” stuff but there’s really only one way to find out.
Probably. People tend to vote for their team - regardless of the actual underlying policy
No promises, though.
Yes. Democrats voted for Obama in 2008 and he presented himself as more progressive than Hilary.
Liberals already tried to get Bernie on the ticket in 2016, but the DNC fucked us on that.
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