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[-] Cenotaph@mander.xyz 34 points 2 weeks ago

Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man. You take a step towards him, he takes a step back. Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man.

[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 weeks ago

"Why isn't anybody voting for us"

[-] frazw@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

I think the question they ask is more like "why are people voting for the other side?" ...leading to "we need to be more like them"

[-] jewbacca117@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

The problem is theres nothing on our side. Our choices are right of center and so far right they fell off the graph.

[-] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

There's also the choice of doing what Bernie did, and build up an alternative from the local level, but that would require people to realise that politics aren't restricted to TV-level races nor snooze for 4 years.

If Americans did that in large scale they could to the democratic party the reverse of what the tea party did to the republican party.

[-] jewbacca117@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

The Democratic party hates Bernie though. Theyran so hard against him back in '16 and '20. I swear the Democrats would rather lose to a Republican than run an actual left candidate.

[-] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 weeks ago

That's because there are only a handful of "Bernies". A party is not a monolithical block, it's the sum of it's members, and the centrists end up being in charge because they are the ones that end up representing the party at most levels. If you want to shift the balance you need leftists to run for school boards, and city halls, and build from there by starting taking over the state committees and DNC members elected by each state (which in turn control the DNC).

If even the most extreme of the extreme right managed to do it in the republican party, there's no reason why a moderate left movement couldn't do it in the democratic party - if anything I would expect it to be easier.

[-] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

Well that would require people to actually go vote every time instead of just bitching online. Or discouraging everyone from voting by saying someone is "Republican light"

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[-] Thwompthwomp@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

The democrats are still at their core a liberal party, and ultimately running a left candidate would be against their interests.

What’s really frustrating is the Dems just dont seem to have any vision of what they want. They clearly don’t want the dystopia of the Trump party, but aren’t really offering a vision of something different or a way things ought to be. (And they won’t be able to as long as they are trying to cater to workers as well as the Wall Street class at the same time.)

[-] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 weeks ago

You are talking about "they" like the party is run by lizard people ruling by the divine right of kings. The "they" in the republican party also didn't an obviously extreme right candidate and their base gave "them" the boot.

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[-] USNWoodwork@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

This fails to recognize that for a very long time things trended left. I remember talking to someone in the 90s and we went down a list of major issues and the left had essentially won on all of them. Roe vs Wade EPA Gay Marriage Welfare Reform and Child Tax Credits

My hope for the Democratic party is that they go to a single issue for the next National election, and that issue should be Anti-trust/Breaking up monopolies

[-] brianary@startrek.website 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

That's an important issue, but if Democrats ever see power again, it'll be important to focus on re-enfranchisement (RCV, instant runoff, or anything fairer than FPTP; NPVIC; national mail voting; mandatory voting), on judicial reform to undo the corruption and incompetence that has been packed there. Without those, keeping any gains will be impossible.

Then, triaging existential threats is critical, which will mean fighting climate change, investing in public transport (trains), and breaking up trusts will have to be pursued simultaneously. Stopping any support for genocide needs to happen as soon as possible.

There will be plenty more structural changes to fix beyond that: Protecting whistleblowers and protesters, improving FOIA, replacing norms with laws (Emoluments Clause enforcement, financial records disclosure, no insider trading for Congressmembers, &c), and all manner of civil rights protections and police reform.

After all that, it'll be time for the stuff I've been hoping for: nationalizing healthcare and Internet access, and copyright reform.

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[-] Turret3857@infosec.pub 4 points 2 weeks ago

Things should be progressing no? that's the whole point of being the "progressive party"

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[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

The Overton Window is set in an abandoned lot. The house burned down a long time ago.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

The rightward shift of the GOP and the tendency of the seemingly infinite number of spineless Dem careerist politicians to seek compromise is very real, but please remember the 90s and 2000s, everyone. They were not as rosy and left-wing as you remember; while not nearly enough, the Dems are notably more left than they were then.

[-] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

In the larger picture the rightward trend is kind of true on economic fronts.

But yeah, since the 90s we've slowly moved left.

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[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 weeks ago
[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 5 points 2 weeks ago

not saying i disagree, but people always link this article as though it even has a section on partisan politics. it doesn’t, or really even pose any evidence that suggests the effect applies to the overton window. would be curious if there are any sources that pose evidence.

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[-] Zier@fedia.io 8 points 2 weeks ago

Always reach across the isle and punch nazis.

[-] madjo@feddit.nl 5 points 2 weeks ago

This could mean that there’s room on the left for a brand new party.

[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

Only if America will implement proportional representation

[-] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago

It could if we weren't locked into a two party system.

[-] madjo@feddit.nl 6 points 2 weeks ago

I mean, if there ever was a time for a grass roots growing of a third party, it would be NOW, not a year before the election with Putin-stooge Jill Stein.

[-] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

I can agree with that, but I'm not sure it will happen. And like most people I'm too busy trying to keep a non-negative balance in the checkbook to do much about it.

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[-] Turret3857@infosec.pub 4 points 2 weeks ago

There are plenty of people trying but it is clearly not working

[-] adarza@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

just playin' the long game. won't be long now and it will loop around to the far left.

[-] Gutek8134@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

So, everyone's hoping for the bit overflow

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[-] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago

Yup, we just need to accelerate and we totally won't end up in a fascist dystopia

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