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submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by Social_Discussion@lemm.ee to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

Hey everyone, I'm new to Lemmy and just starting to figure this site out. I mainly moved here because of the censorship on Reddit where they didn't publish posts that included the slightest word not allowed by their filter and they removed/blocked lots of content. I wonder if it will be somewhat better here (on the official site it says "Censorship resistant - By hosting your own server, you can be in full control of your content.").

The weird thing I saw with Lemmy was when I wanted to sign-up on the "lemmy.ml" server instance that according to the official Lemmy Servers listing page is a "A community of privacy and FOSS enthusiasts, run by Lemmy’s developers".

So I thought I try that one when it's from Lemmy's own developers. When I wanted to sign-up it required an application that you needed to fill out with one of the requirements being having to copy a sentence from the link provided which links to some article called "The Principles of Communism" which I thought was very odd for a site to do. I've never seen a site like this promoting some ideology that directly where it's part of the sign-up process to almost pledge to some political or religious ideology.

This seemed very sketchy to me. Does anyone know something about this?

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[-] Crackhappy@lemmy.world -3 points 6 days ago

Hmmm, it seems that trolls have invaded AskLemmy.

[-] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world -5 points 6 days ago

lemmy.ml has earned itself a pretty bad reputation, although there are instances that are worse. They keep things clean enough to not get defederated, but you're not really in sane company on there.

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[-] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 70 points 1 week ago

Seems like a simple task to help verify that you are not a bot. It might also help deter applicants who are anti-communist. I guess you solved the problem for yourself by choosing a different instance.

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 54 points 1 week ago

The developers of Lemmy are Communists, they don't hide this fact.

To answer your first question, there are no "free speech" instances in wide use, depending on your point of view an instance might be "censoring" or fighting "misinformation." It's up to you to pick an instance you want.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 51 points 1 week ago

Censorship resistant - By hosting your own server, you can be in full control of your content.").

Yes, exactly, you can host your own or sign up at one someone's already hosts. The resistance is in the ability to choose which admins you trust and align with your views while still interacting with the rest of us.

The devs run their own and have their own rules and censorship but you don't have to sign up there. Does that help?

[-] Social_Discussion@lemm.ee 20 points 1 week ago

Helps a lot, thanks for your answer!

[-] Aria@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 1 week ago

Lemmy.ml is explicitly a Marxist Leninist instance of the Lemmy software. It's why it's called .ml. You can use a different instance if you aren't a Marxist Leninist. Lemmy.world is a Hitlerite instance.

Federation is censorship resistant, but each instance is still going to remove gross content for the sake of their users and instance culture. You can see removed content in the modlog, it's public for every instance running unmodified Lemmy.

As for why you need to copy/paste the sentence -- It sounds a lot like an anti-spam measure. Captchas and the like are extremely common, I'm surprised you find them novel. Are you asking this because you're planning a spam-attack and need to make sure the spam isn't removed? Your spam will be removed. While it's technically possible to go find, no one will care enough to do so.

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[-] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 24 points 1 week ago

There's plenty of censorship on Lemmy, but unlike Reddit, the censorship is orchestrated by the individual server, not by a corporation in control of the whole ecosystem. Go post something pro-capitalist on lemmy.ml, or something claiming climate change is a hoax on slrpnk.net, or something anti-trans on lemmy.blahaj.zone and see how fast it gets taken down - you could consider that censorship, but the reason Lemmy is better than Reddit in this regard is that you can go post that same thing on another instance, in a community that supports those views, and it'll stay up. It's all up to the administration of the individual instance.

Even if you can't find an instance / community that will espouse your unique views, you can create your own, and post whatever you like, and everyone who federates with you will be able to see it. That's how Lemmy is resistant to censorship.

I'm not touching the lemmy.ml question with a ten foot pole, someone else can field that one.

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[-] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

So um here's the thing.

The fediverse is a network of interconnected servers/instances that are independently hosted.

Within the fediverse, there's Lemmy

There are many different "servers" (I'm just gonna call it servers, instances is not a commonly used word) of Lemmy. Each have different owners. But they all run the Lemmy software of their servers.

The Lemmy software is an open source project, contributed by many different people who know how to code. The main developers believe in Marxism-Leninism, basically what countries like USSR and People's Republic of China claim to also follow this ideology (or at least they used to).

lemmy.ml is one of the first servers, run by the main developers.

So there, if you disagree with their ideology, you should probably use a different server.

[-] Social_Discussion@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago

Thanks for that information!

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[-] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The original developers of Lemmy are communists who were seeking to create a social media space that would be free from corporate censorship and centralization. When they created ml, they decided to have it be geared towards communists and leftists as their specific flavor of the Lemmy community, because that is what interested them.

If you are looking for a less political and more general instance, I’d recommend:

lemmy.world
sh.itjust.works
lemmy.dbzero.com

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 47 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

All 3 of those are highly political instances, though. Lemmy.world is overwhelmingly liberal and enforces that bias, and dbzer0 is mostly Anarchists. Sh.itjust.works genuinely leans towards fascism thanks to dedication to anticommunism and full support for the Military Industrial Complex and NATO.

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[-] Social_Discussion@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago

Very interesting, thanks for the reply. I signed-up on lemm.ee since that's the 2nd biggest instance on their list. Is this a good server as well? (The description here says: "General-purpose Lemmy instance. New users and communities welcome!")

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago

Any instance whose rules you agree with is good. Picking a big one that's not the biggest is a good call so good job.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 week ago

Lemm.ee is less politically oriented than any of the 3 that were recommended, by the other user, but it's lesd of an instance and more of a tool for interacting with other instances.

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[-] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 week ago

Yeah, that’s a good one. Honestly, at the end of the day, it matters more what communities you follow than what instance you are on.

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[-] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Lemme.ee is fine. It wouldn't hurt to have multiple accounts in different instances in case one goes down for maintenance so you can keep browsing. I recommend dbzero since they're techy and don't lean on politics as much as other instances.

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[-] CorrodedCranium@leminal.space 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The level of censorship is going to be different depending on your instance and where you are posting to. A lot of instances are managed by individuals or small teams out of passion. They can do as they please and don't have to pander to everyone for commercial appeal like Reddit or Tumblr. If someone doesn't like what they're doing they can join a different instance or create their own.

Instances can defederate from each other over these differences. A lot are defederated from the instance Exploding Heads because of their alt right content for example. From what I understand you can also report content to the administrators of your instance if it goes against their rules and I think they can remove it from appearing on your instance (or block the user that posted it). This isn't going to stop it from appearing elsewhere.

[-] CorrodedCranium@leminal.space 5 points 1 week ago

I also wouldn't say it's sketchy. It's just the overall political leaning of a lot of Lemmy is relatively left leaning and having those measures in place kind of demonstrates the vibe the instance is trying to create.

[-] mitexleo@buddyverse.one 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The issue you've faced varies instance to instance. If you want complete freedom and censorship resistance, you have to run your own server.

[-] Zak@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

It's quite resistant to any single entity's censorship, but if you share things most server admins consider unacceptable, other servers will block your server.

lemmy.ml... copy a sentence from the link provided which links to some article called “The Principles of Communism”

At least one of the Lemmy developers is a hardcore communist, and some people see lemmy.ml as a little sketchy for that reason. I see you found another server, which is exactly how federation is meant to work. While the overall culture tends to be left-leaning, most server admins are not hardcore communists and don't censor political positions that aren't advocating violence or discrimination.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world -4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

one of the Lemmy developers is a hardcore communist,

To be clear, they roleplay as a "hardcore communist", whatever that is. Its not any different than how billionaire sycophants with no access to capital make statements like "I'm a capitalist" while working minimum wage jobs.

Having a high-paying software engineering job while enjoying the social safety net that a liberal social-democracy provides, does not one a communist make.

[-] _bcron_@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

It's normal and actually kind of cool by design - the 'fediverse' is basically a bunch of different servers (instances) that can all connect to each other. I'm on Lemmy.world, my other account is on midwest.social, but when I'm looking at posts from all communities on either of those I see more or less the same stuff from all the other communities across the other instances.

But some instances have a theme, like Midwest.social is kind of intended for people from the midwest, but anyone can join. Lemmy.ml is kind of a communist hangout. Solarpunk(spelling) is a lot more eco-conscious than other instances.

You can join any instance you want, sometimes after you join an instance you notice a theme that doesn't really vibe with you, but you can join a more 'vanilla' instance, stay on your current instance, or look around for some instance that's really into whatever you're into.

But at the end of the day your credentials on an instance are basically a passport for all the other instances, and it's mostly gonna be a legit good passport.

That said, if an instance goes to crap from bad moderation or from horrible viewpoints or culture, other instances can basically block it, and if you're on an instance that becomes defederated your basically cut off from all the other instances, so you better go find a better instance, but that doesn't happen all too often

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago
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[-] Jobe@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The .ml admins are, to put it mildly, far left. That's why it's great to have other instances like lemmy.world, feddit.org etc. If you don't agree with how the admins run an instance you can make an account somewhere else without missing out on content.

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