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[-] 4grams@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

This is based on nothing but vibes and my observations but I think so. We were cooked the moment we elected the clown the first time, just been a slower slide than I anticipated. In truth though we already had the disease at that point but it was then it became terminal.

I desperately want to be wrong and will do what I can to prove myself a moron. Fingers crossed.

[-] jaxxed@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

May I suggest that you give Vlad Vexler's youtube a listen? He describes this as a period of dlweaking democracy, but explains why all is not lost.

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[-] WhyFlip@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

You don't understand Americans at all.

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[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

I was as surprised and disappointed as anyone, and I think we WILL take a few more steps backwards over the next few years, but I don't expect an unstoppable fall into fascism.

Most of the votes for Trump weren't actually FOR Trump. They were against the current situation they are in. They see him as the revolution. The anti-politician that will bring real change. They think all his court battles are the "Man" trying to hold him down and keep him from disrupting a system that gave up on its people long ago.

Of course that's all bullshit, but, assuming that all "normal" people can see through his lies and that only evil, woman hating racists would support him, is a big part of why he was elected.

Trump denied Project 2025 because he knew most people wouldn't want it. (Honestly, I would be surprised if he even knew what was in it) If he lets the Christian nationalists push that whole agenda on day one, he'll become the oppressive government that is taking away their freedoms. And nothing is more important to Trump than making Trump look good.

[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

No. There were two ways the trump admin was going to go. He was either going to run an effective fascist regime, or become the ringmaster of the largest dipshit fucknugget circus. Seeing how things are going so far (and he isn't even the president yet) it's going to be the latter.

Sure, there will be long term damage that is going to take years, if not lifetimes of hard work and good policy to undo, but it can be undone. Assuming 2024 was a wake up call and people vote more effectively instead of throwing their voice away at propped up Russian disinfo candidates.

[-] Woht24@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

That's what the Americans said after the first Trump election

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[-] themaninblack@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

It’s my point of no return. Leaving in two weeks forever. Good luck.

[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

Hope you're okay and this is a move to another country being discussed?

[-] thawed_caveman@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

So i agree that the second Trump administration is going to suck in most every way possible, like the first one but worse because they're prepared this time.

BUT

I think people overrate a government's ability to influence the conditions in a given country. I think a country is made what it is by history, geography, technology, sociology, ideology, economics, and the accumulation of small decisions over centuries.

If the Trump administration wants to end democracy in the US, or if a hypothetical based administration were to attempt a switch to ranked choice voting, both ideals would be impossible to implement because our ideals are limited by practical reality. Both would fail regardless of being good or bad changes, because radical change is really hard when the conditions aren't met for it, especially when it's opposed by the rest of the country. If the country just isn't ready to transition to fascism right now, there's not much that Trump can do to make it.

We talk a lot about how powerful people changed the world, but i think far more often they're just the embodiment of a societal trend, and they couldn't change the world if they weren't. Change isn't done by powerful people but deeper movements in humanity, with powerful people riding them like a wave.

As to where the deeper movements in humanity are leading us right now, i refuse to guess, trying to predict the future is the best way to look like an idiot

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[-] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

I choose to believe that we are not. The true fight for our democracy by the working/middle class hasn't even started yet. Some think it won't. I choose to believe that good will again triumph and life is roller coaster of good and bad.

[-] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Point of no return for what?

Do you mean its fall, like Rome?

No, I don't think so at all.

I actually think we're on the cusp of actual, true reform.

But if I'm wrong, just try to remember that millions of people lives happy, fulfilling lives, even while Rome fell around them. We will too.

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[-] logos@sh.itjust.works -1 points 6 months ago

I think it's possibly the end of Western democracy. If Russia and China stroll through Europe with Trump's help, that's pretty much it, no?

[-] Coreidan@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

Naw this is ridiculous.

Everyone knows it started in the 70s and we’ve been headed down hill ever since. Reality is this country died 60 years ago. It’s just taking awhile for the wheels to fall off the bus.

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[-] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 6 months ago

Someone who has been president before, for four years, was elected president again.

I cannot think of anything less similar to a "point of no return".

You may think of him or his policies what you want (I personally have a mostly negative opinion of him too!), but we have all had four years of opportunity to observe what he does when he is president.

If you are thinking that Trump is like Hitler, then please point me to anything similar to:

Oh, none of those things happened in the late 2010s? Then why exactly are you expecting them to happen in 2025 or 2026? What is different now?

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