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[-] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 73 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Civilization as we know it is an unsafe space for most humans

[-] MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world 55 points 7 months ago
[-] rockerface@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago

It is dangerous indeed, I have lost hours without noticing

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[-] j4p@lemm.ee 44 points 7 months ago

Not to excuse any hate speech of any kind, but looking around at social media and the effect it has especially on young people and saying "steam forums are the problem" seems like missing the forest for the trees

[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

who said steam forums are “the” problem?

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[-] Carighan@lemmy.world 42 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I mean yeah, no shit. The steam forums could be removed at no loss to the human race, in fact it'd remove a non-negligible percentage of all really shitty talk on the internet if they deleted everything entirely.

[-] daggermoon@lemmy.world 49 points 7 months ago

The steam forums are fucking cancer. I was looking for info about a bug I was having with a newly released game. I instead saw an entire thread about how the game is woke and you shouldn't buy it. The game has an implied lesbian character. Who gives a fuck? The game was pretty good btw.

[-] Blazingtransfem98@discuss.online 16 points 7 months ago

I've seen whole threads in game forums dedicated to Nazism, and I myself have been called a "groomer" and the t-slur because people knew be as a boy before I transitioned. Legitimately horrible place, they absolutely need to take more action against this.

[-] daggermoon@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Sorry to hear about your experience. Are the forums moderated at all? All I see is people being terrible to each other. I also saw someone requesting a Brazilian Portuguese translation for a game and people calling them a fucking idiot and telling them to learn english.

[-] Carighan@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

It's up to each game dev to police their forums, AFAIK.

[-] Bassman1805@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Can they disable their steam forums if they don't want to moderate them?

[-] Carighan@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

That's a good question. I would hope so!

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[-] atrielienz@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

I don't use steam forums. But I have questions. Do the steam forums have any moderation at all? Is there a report button? Can you report comments or forum threads?

I want to know because I feel like a lot of social media has the same problem as steam forums and these tools exist on the majority of those. They rely on the moderation of fellow users.

I also question whether or not steam actually has an automod or anything like that. Or human moderators.

Please keep in mind that I don't use the forums so I really have no idea. This is the first time I'm hearing about this, and I'm interested in knowing more.

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[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 months ago

There is some important ounce of knowledge there.
Let's say a majority.

[-] LouNeko@lemmy.world 30 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

For anyone who wants an example, go to the Helldiver's 2 patch logs on the Steam Community Hub.

No matter which one.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Right wing and not understanding second degree, name a more iconic duo

Edit: Lemmy users and not understanding who people are talking about, name a more iconic duo! I'm talking about the right wing Steam users commenting on the patch notes.

[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 2 points 7 months ago

Edit: Lemmy users and not understanding who people are talking about, name a more iconic duo!

I'm laughing with how relevant this feels to me.

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[-] Speculater@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Jesus, that's a lot of people afraid of gay people.

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[-] MolochAlter@lemmy.world 25 points 7 months ago

Worth mentioning that the main US senator supporting this, Mark Warner, received substantial donations from Disney, which also poured 1.5 billion (with a B) dollars into Epic Games.

Wouldn't be surprised if some bigwig at Disney pushed for this investigation, too, especially given how fucking flimsy the results were (55% of all hate symbols were fucking pepe the frog).

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[-] stormesp@lemm.ee 24 points 7 months ago

Steam forums and groups have become a place to organize far right raiding groups that have harassing people and bullying women and minorities or straight up nazism glorification as their sole objective and Steam just does not care.

[-] Blazingtransfem98@discuss.online 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Of course they don't, companies only care when Pepsi Co and P&G take away their ad revenue for serving extremist content and catering to extremists. Valve has no ad revenue and is the only real PC game store on the block, so no one can make them "care" the way YouTube and Twitch, and other platforms are made to "care".

[-] Nexy@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 7 months ago

twitter, facebook, instagram, etc are not a problem. steam is 👍

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[-] Badeendje@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago

If you follow the links, they refer to copy pasta's of hatefull stuff including swastikas but no breakdown of what is counted, the use of the happy merchant (a meme with an antisemitic origin used to convey greed) and the use of pepe the frog in profile pics (pepe is a symbol of hate according to the ADL).

The issue I have with the whole here is that I don't subscribe to the premise on which the analysis is based.

IF you assume pepe is a hate symbol, then each case it is used is an expression of hate and furtherance of that hate. I however reject the premise that pepe is a symbol of hate.

The use of the happy merchant is a bit more of a problem, because I see the antisemitic message it has. However I also see a lot of stupid people that don't.. and have seen the image used (probably in antisemitic context referring to greed) but people associate it with greed primarily.. so this one is an issue, I think I refuse part of the premise, namely that the antisemitism part is a dominant factor when the image is used.

These are the 2 main examples, a lot more in the report that have similar caveats.

[-] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

I love that people are still doubling down on people pepe means Nazi. ADL big ol swing and a miss.

[-] Badeendje@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

Pepe to me seems like the opposite of the Confederate flag.

Pepe is an internet meme that is in some cases used by racist and hateful people to carry their message, but the primary function is internet nonsense.

The Confederate flag is a symbol or hate and oppression that in some situations is used to express country & westerns ideals of freedom and roaming the country with not a care in the world.. without the racist subtext... however you cannot deny the basis of its use and thus should not use it.

[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 2 points 7 months ago

Some cases is an understatement. Ever since The_Donald and Kekistan, Pepe has become a hate symbol due to the wide adoption by far right trolls. Pepe might've never meant to be that, but neither was the Swastika or the roman salute, or other symbols that the Nazis adopted for themselves. The more pressing issue is that you should really not give people on Steam the benefit of the doubt of arguing in good faith. The whole gamergate movement is alive and well there.

[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

was going to say the same thing, pepe is internet nonsense, but didn't have the words.

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[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 7 months ago

Come back when you can argue without the "but the kids" line of thinking.

[-] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 8 points 7 months ago

Crunchyroll removed their comments section recently. They said it was because of all the hateful comments for one show. Sony just didn't want to deal with it, so gone, which is a real shame. If the comments are not part of the product being sold, then they will end up getting dropped if abused.

[-] resetbypeer@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Boomers saying and thinking boomer things.

[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 2 points 7 months ago

If there's one thing I hate about Steam, it's their lack of moderation. There's Nazi shit everywhere, every game who's using "woke" elements like neutral terms for body types or giving people the choice of their pronoun, or having gay characters, or people of color, or women in positions of power, etc. etc. gets the inevitable flood of constant woke crying threads, comments & review bombing. There's many people who glorify the RuZZian invasion of Ukraine as well through their profiles, while I could not even have a freaking avatar depicting a person dangling from a tree, which was graphically maybe a small step ahead of a stick figure from a hangman game. And even outside of politics it's full of trolls and clown farmers (they should really remove that one anyway). You ask for technical help, and everyone tells you basic shit or attacks you. It's a cesspool.

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