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submitted 5 months ago by Krauerking@lemy.lol to c/3dprinting@lemmy.world

These have to be the least accurate things I have ever seen.

The rectangular one is accurate or accurate enough and has been what I used but I noticed files all had cutouts for these round hygrometers...

Well from my 6 pack 1 is within a margin of error to even be useful.

I get they aren't expensive but seems like a waste of money for this bad.

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[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

I would not be at all surprised to learn that both the commodity round and rectangular units use the exact same components inside. These surely must be made from jellybean off the shelf parts, and at similar price points to each other neither could possibly be assembled with much care or attention to detail.

I have a six pack of the rectangular ones from Jeff Bezos' Knockoff Whitebox Emporium. Even all sealed in the same container with each other, they all disagree by a spread of about 15%. I have no idea which of the six, if any, are actually producing an accurate number.

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 1 points 5 months ago

So, just because my rectangular one has been with me for a few years I'm gonna stick up for it a little. It does have 2 sensors in it separated for temp and humidity compared to the circular ones that seem to have the temp sensor baked into the board if it exists at all and the humidity sensor was poorly soldered upside down. But agreed on likely carelessness of assembly from identical parts.

Same batteries and sensor modules it seems and even the press fit nature of them. And the only reason I know that specific one I'm reading against is accurate is because I only kept it because it was the accurate one from a pack of them I grabbed from a lab in college.

I just don't get why everyone uses them is my point if we are in agreement they kinda suck.

[-] bluewing@lemm.ee 4 points 5 months ago

As an old toolmaker who might have dabbled in accuracy. I just shake my head when people complain about things like this because they think absolute accuracy --an impossibility-- is the important thing, (you can't afford anything close absolute accuracy), when it's repeatability that matters the most. Choose the one that repeats the best, toss the rest. Then learn what the "magic number" is that makes you happy to read and need to get the results you are looking for. Learn to apply some bloody "windage".

Remember: Rick Sanchez is a dumb-ass. And you only need to be 5% smarter than the tool you are using to be successful. So be smarter than the tool and understand the process.

[-] aesopjah@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago

because if it says anything other than 10% (the lowest thing it reads), then the dessicant needs to be refreshed.

it's more of a binary output rather than trying to look at 53 vs 55%

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 1 points 5 months ago

You get your humidity down to less than 10%? Or still literally treating it like a binary thing and it's just reading way under real?

I am at about 25% relative humidity and it's showing as a 1 in the ams sensor so 10% seems impressive even though I'm not using much desiccant.

[-] Flying_Hellfish@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I have an aqara temp/humidity sensor in my AMS. The hygrometer (rectangular type) shows 10% and aqara shows 19%.

I've also just been using the hygrometer as a binary if it is > 10% then I change media.

Typing all this up made me realize I need to just set an alert for the aqara to just tell me if it jumps above 20%.

[-] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 1 points 5 months ago

Mine work somewhat okayish, which is within the margin of error I need them for. I think there was one that was terrible though.

Mostly I use them for the temperature aspect, mostly for reminding me if it's too hot or cold in my room (because due to my autism, I often don't notice whether I'm at a comfortable temperature). I have a few scattered about my room and basically they act as a visual prompt to consciously ask myself if I'm at a comfortable temperature, and to act as a rough backup to whatever I'm feeling (because even when I'm consciously aware that my temperature is feeling Bad, I can't reliably tell whether I'm too hot or cold, so these terrible thermometers at least help me answer "should I get a blanket, or open a window?"

[-] abe@civv.es 0 points 5 months ago

@Krauerking@lemy.lol Hygrometers are only as good as their components. Buying a DHT11/22 or SHT31 from AliExpress ($1-2) alongside an ESP8266/32 and you'd have much better results than buying these "are my cigars dry" pucks.

[-] callcc@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

I've had massive differences in readouts in DHT22 from aliexpress. They are really not good sometimes

[-] abe@civv.es 1 points 5 months ago

@callcc@lemmy.world SHT31/41 are better than DHT22 tbf. DHT would have a variance of about 2-5%. It also takes a while for it to stabilize.

[-] callcc@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Thanks for the tip. The BME280 are also not too bad.

[-] abe@civv.es 1 points 5 months ago

@callcc@lemmy.world True - but it really depends what you're measuring with BME280/680s though (680>280). As a combination temp/humidity/pressure they're excellent, but for humidity alone I think SHT gives better "expected" readings than BME.

Someone nerded it out on arduino forums about five years ago: https://forum.arduino.cc/t/compare-different-i2c-temperature-and-humidity-sensors-sht2x-sht3x-sht85/599609/10

[-] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 0 points 5 months ago

I'd really love to know how, once having purchased and aquired these two parts, how to join them, and get them powered, and to display. this is like secret engineering knowledge i'd love to be walked through

[-] abe@civv.es 1 points 5 months ago

@shoulderoforion@fedia.io I have about $150 worth of Ali parts and components coming just this month for whole house monitoring for this kinda thing - temp, humidity, CO2, VOCs, pressure, light sensors etc. Would be glad to ping y'all once that writeup is done :)

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 0 points 5 months ago

LOL same. And this is why I bought bad tech. It's a whole wild world if you can actually take electronic components and just wire them together and program them yourself.

[-] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 0 points 5 months ago

I've been through all the junk Amazon hygrometers, name brands, no name, all junk. How has your experience been with the inkbird ITH10? I hope abe writes up a walkthrough for the DHT11/22 and ESP8266/32 setup, it'd be neat to order from Ali and work something up.

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 0 points 5 months ago

Just bought them after the realization of this. I will try to make sure I let you know as I found a really good deal that I'd be happy to share as well if they are good as long as you are fine with used.

[-] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 1 points 5 months ago

ThermoPro TP39 and Inkbird ITH-10 After this thread the other day I bought some Inkbird's on sale from Amazon to test them out, have had some ThermoPro TP39 around (and outside) of the house, and one of the Inkbirds was about 5% above on a salt test in a bag, out of the bag, they are all, seemingly reading LOW. Little sick of this, so I bought a Protmex HT607 to test out to see if my feeling is right, that the only one of the hygrometers in the photo that's near correct (3%+/-) is the center ThermoPro. If my feeling is right, I'm going to return all the Inkbirds, and give ThermoPro some shit, make a warranty claim, where I'm sure they'll send me 3 more junk hygormeters. I'm not prepared to spend $800 on a scientific hygrometer that can only do push button spot readings, can continue to be amazed that the market hasn't produced an ADJUSTABLE always on moisture/humidity monitor. It's pretty maddening.

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