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submitted 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) by rcbrk@lemmy.ml to c/australia@aussie.zone

Australian Senate, last sitting of the year. No idea when the Social Media Ban debate is kicking off.

If anyone's keen, feel free to give a live run-down of anything interesting in this thread.

(sorry about all the edits, just trying to get a decent thumbnail: elevated photo of the Australian Senate)

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[-] trk@aussie.zone 2 points 21 hours ago

Why does Labor always do this? Instead of concentrating on good social policy and undoing some of the pro-corporation crap the Liberals have snuck in, they come up with some utter stupidity about the internet and end up dying on that hill.

Internet filter repeat incoming. This will be their undoing next election.

[-] oahi@aussie.zone 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

We should ban u16s from public transport. Too many have had fatal accidents due to dangerous behaviour around railways and bus stops. Compulsory learning from home, now!

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[-] Cypher@aussie.zone 3 points 1 day ago

I have warned about this. Access to online services will soon be locked behind your mygov id.

These plans have been in motion for a long time.

[-] quokka1@mastodon.au 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

@Cypher @rcbrk With a nice link between any nicks/profiles/gamer-tags you have and your actual MyGovID.
Mmmm mmm mmm smell that lovely data!
ASIO must be practically creaming themselves.

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 6 points 1 day ago

Games are explicitly excluded from this law.

Which is kinda fucking ridiculous, as pointed out in debate, because in-game chat is often some of the most toxic you'll encounter.

[-] NaevaTheRat@vegantheoryclub.org 1 points 20 hours ago

tbh I'm more concerned about kids on cod or battle.net than insta chat (research has found a lot of kids using Instagram for absurd numbers of hours are actually just chatting).

[-] CTDummy@aussie.zone 10 points 2 days ago

Call of duty lobbies mentioned in senate. What a time to be alive lmao

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 7 points 2 days ago

Yes, and rightly so. Because this bill is so immensely stupid and the process by which it has been enacted so deeply undemocratic, that even a moron like Canavan (or was it Antic?) can see that the way they've carved out exemptions is haphazard and poorly thought through.

[-] No1@aussie.zone 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

"Comrade! Papers! NOW!"

I remember when we used to be horrified at some of the terrible regimes and their draconian requirements and powers.

And yet, here we are happily strolling into the same situation.

[-] CTDummy@aussie.zone 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I don’t see how the communist remark is relevant. Social media has proliferated largely unchecked. They are potentially damaging platforms, especially for younger people. That’s ignoring the rampant misinformation. I mean have a look at X and the “your body my choice” nonsense. I’m surprised people are genuinely advocating for the multimillion dollar corporations being in charge rather than our government.

[-] araneae@beehaw.org 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

We're in danger of a domino effect happening across the planet where governments finally have the de facto authorization to scour youth and youth culture off the web. For millions this is the loss of a right to access they had assumed from birth. Any argument that applies to children browsing the web applies to adults, since we recurringly prove we're not better decision makers than children.

In my country the elite are pedophiles who want to marry children and allow them to be employed debt trapping them and then forcing them into a financial corner. Our highest lawman was nearly an actual known child sex trafficker but his appointment would have sparked a World War III like series of disclosures and open blackmailing because there are now too many pedophiles running the government to effecticely threaten each other.

There is a type of common sexual deviancy inspired by eastern cartoons that fetishizes the undeveloped body. It is commonly defended by its connosieurs as valid art from a superior enlightened culture. There is a throughline of normalization of child marriage and relationship forming that is slowly being legitimized and trust me it was already legal in half my country to marry children, but not acceptable.

Meanwhile childrens identities are making them targets in school hallways, bathrooms, and gymnasiums. The ramifications of the social world order bear down on them without their consent or understanding. Fascism splits up children into tribal groups and targettable minorities just the same as adults.

Darkest of all is the future promise of more children disappearing into a black hole. Closed borders where only ICE and men like Matt Gaetz and the late great Epstein have the power to move through unabbated. In Trump's first administration they told us to our faces they lost 1,488 children. 1,488 necessary victims of border policy. They lost more than that, 1,488 if you don't know, is a Nazi dogwhistle referring to the 14 words and then signalling allegience to Adolph Hitler. They told us to our face they threw fifteen hundred children down a well. Where are they now?

Who benefits ultimately from controlling what children see and think? Who benefits from being able to silence them? Who benefits from being able speak for children?

Children's rights and liberties are a flashpoint in our civilizations understanding, worship, and secret contempt for the concept of natural and civil rights. When they're shoved off the net another much more easily targettable adult minority will be next.

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 11 points 2 days ago

It's a wild overstep peddled in the name of "think of the children!!"

As any 12 year old with a porno mag will tell you, kids will get around this without even blinking. And the fun fact is that I, a grown arse adult three times their "acceptable" age to fuck around with the dangerous social media will coincidentally be asked to prove my age, full name, address to any comment I may make online and boy oh boy wait until I say something that disagrees with the obsidian order.

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[-] eatham@aussie.zone 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

They prolly don't know it exists. If they do, be prepared to switch instance as I doubt lodion will want to deal with Id checking

I, and at least one other person here sent submissions in specifically mentioning the fediverse.

Mine wasn't a very technical submission, i tried to focus on the value and potential destruction of that value if safeguards aren't allowed for nascent social media.

So at least there is a record of it. My worry is all the Muskivites submissions will drown out ones like mine.

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[-] melbaboutown@aussie.zone 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The info is still really vague but seemed to so far apply to big platforms like reddit and facebook and X - however my info might be outdated by now.

Then again it could be that the fines for non compliance and verification charges might also apply to smaller platforms with less available funding than the big companies, and push them under.

The info I’ve been reading seems to be inconsistent and sometimes even conflict. And yeah, could be outdated by now

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 5 points 2 days ago

The relevant Minister will be able to give exemptions as needed, but unfortunately there is no threshold for any sort of minimum size requirement or for non-profit community groups. So we would probably, to be completely lawful, need to get chummy with some politicians who can reach out to the Minister and seek an exemption.

(But realistically, we're probably small enough that nobody would notice.)

[-] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago

it's seriously annoying as fuck how there's no exemption for any of these internet regulations based on size, all it it seriously achieves is strengthening corpos and depowering individuals with souls

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