The message to Democrats is clear: you must dump neoliberal economics (www.theguardian.com)

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[-] Floon@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

Biden spent four years massively pro-union, the Inflation Reduction Act was massive and not marginal with the job creation all over, and his administration remembered that the Sherman and Clayton Acts exist and used them. They have been everything a good leftist could want.

We live in a post-truth world, and the massive media oligarchy is in full effect, driven by the editorial desires of the hyper-rich. Dems could run Jesus and lose, at this point.

[-] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 1 points 5 months ago

Oh. The message I got was that many people today are so immature that they would rather join a collective psychosis than accept their own part in humanity

[-] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 months ago

To be fair, there are multiple lessons to learn from this election cycle.

[-] angelmountain@feddit.nl 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

America should get rid of that two party nonsense and start forming a proper government.

Those founding fathers would be ashamed.

[-] Floon@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

Those founding fathers discovered they had a two party system immediately and did nothing to prevent it from being cemented in place.

[-] Denidil@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago

People going around claiming the Democrats are neoliberal immediately after they leaned super hard into unions is some serious gaslighting horseapples.

[-] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago

they leaned super hard into unions

Biden supported unions before and after the railway workers strike, but Biden still felt the need to kill the strike. Supporting unions enough so that they get incrementally better deals is pro-union, but it does not a progressive make. We need radical systemic change to our institutions and Biden is ideologically incapable of delivering on that for the economy, the Ukraine War, Israel's genocide, climate change, or immigration to name a few.

[-] Denidil@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago

You never paid attention to the follow up on this one did you?

the reason the strike was killed was because it was "thousands of working people vs millions of working people". The Democrats voted to insert the contested item (sick leave) and the republicans blocked that vote (Which had to be separate because stupid legislative rules).

However the Biden administration kept fighting in the background for the unions to get their sick leave, and eventually won. The unions even posted articles celebrating Biden getting them their sick leave.

that situation was a complex one and a reminder to not view the world in black and white.

[-] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago

that situation was a complex one and a reminder to not view the world in black and white.

https://time.com/5888024/50-trillion-income-inequality-america/

There is little evidence that the current administration has any interest in dealing with this crisis. Our hope is that a Biden administration would be historically bold. But make no mistake that both our political and economic systems will collapse absent solutions that scale to the enormous size of the problem. The central goal of our nation’s economic policy must be nothing less than the doubling of median income. We must dramatically narrow inequality between distributions while eliminating racial and gender inequalities within them. This is the standard to which we should hold leaders from both parties. To advocate for anything less would be cowardly or dishonest or both.

The 1% have extracted 50 trillion dollars from the bottom 90%. It's time we side with labor in no uncertain terms.

the reason the strike was killed was because it was “thousands of working people vs millions of working people”.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/more-than-500-labor-historians-condemn-bidens-intervention-in-freight-rail-dispute/

The second reason Phillips-Fein finds the labor fight compelling is because of the way Biden framed it, as a choice between the interests of railway workers and the economy as a whole. But he didn’t have to do that. “The president could also embrace a sensibility that more explicitly identifies the interests of the country as a whole with those of the workers and their unions, rather than seeing them in opposition,” she said.

Biden is a pro-union neoliberal. We need pro-union progressives and socialists with a populist narrative to campaign on.

[-] Denidil@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago

Neoliberals are anti-union. there is no such things a a pro-union neoliberal. All you're doing is showing that you have no idea what you're talking about, and making the rest of us leftists look like idiots by your company.

as for your stupid vice link, i see you and raise you the actual unions involved: https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid

screw your kiddie-pool-depth faux-leftism.

[-] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 months ago

Neoliberals are anti-union.

Neoliberals are institutionalists. Unions are institutions. So no one should be surprised when a neoliberal like Joe Biden incrementally improves things for unions and their members.

i see you and raise you the actual unions involved

My argument is not that Biden did nothing, but that he could and should have done more. The president should leverage the full power of the executive branch to benefit workers. There is no need to capitulate to the owner class and break strikes. Incremental changes will not correct the fifty trillion dollar transfer of wealth from the bottom 90% to the top 1%.

screw your kiddie-pool-depth faux-leftism.

The incremental changes your argument is unsuccessfully attempting to justify are neoliberal policies. The fact neoliberal policies benefit unions does not change the fact that they are incremental changes. Your argument is not a leftist argument, but a neoliberal argument pretending to be a leftist argument. Your argument relies on name-calling and ad hominem attacks in an attempt to distract from this deception.

[-] zenitsu@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

We're gonna just continue to blame the Dems while ignoring that a massive online propaganda campaign brainwashed enough morons into voting again for a convicted felon who tried to steal the last election, and already had a dogshit first term? Even if you "fix" the dems, the propaganda will still paint whoever is representing them as worse than the fascist puppets on the other side, and the masses of dimwits will swallow it while thinking they're enlightened centrists.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Propaganda doesn't work if people are happy with their current situation.

[-] zenitsu@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

BS, there were polls showing the massive disparity between how people responded to "how would you rate the current economy?" and "how would you rate your own financial situation?", about 70% had said their own situation was good or very good yet a similar amount said that the countries situation was either bad or very bad. Absolutely brainwashed

[-] hark@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Do you have links to these polls, please? I would be interested in knowing how they were carried out.

[-] zenitsu@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Here, I should've included them in the previous comment.

This was also quite telling:

[-] hark@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago

Thanks for the links! I'm having trouble finding the exact questions asked, but when I look at the graph on this article: https://www.axios.com/2024/06/03/americans-finances-us-economy-outlook-divide

It says on the legend "Own finances (doing at least OK)" and "National economy (good or excellent)". This is subjective, of course, but the bar for "OK" seems a lot lower than "good". If someone asks how I'm doing and if things are going bad but I don't want to burden them with my concerns, my go-to is "OK" or "fine" but never "good". Simply feeling like I'll get by is enough for "OK" but that doesn't necessarily mean I'm optimistic. This would explain the entire world locking down but personal feelings of finance remaining pretty steady except for a bump UP after massive financial stimulus before a dip back down as greedflation gobbled that all up and then some.

As for misinformed views, those will be influenced by whoever is in power. Assuming the economy remains steady (which is a shaky assumption given many factors), I'm sure the same poll done again would have strong democrat and republican supporters swap their sentiments even though the underlying didn't change.

[-] zenitsu@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

As for misinformed views, those will be influenced by whoever is in power.

The point is that Dems generally have more accurate assessments of what's actually going on. Republicans are notoriously conspiratorial and misinformed and only getting worse. Even with republicans in power, you won't see such misaligned views from the left.

[-] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago

"Progressive roots"?

[-] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 5 months ago

For some people FDR is the closest thing they can imagine to be progressive politics. The progressive-conservative switch in the Republican and Democratic Parties always makes for weird statements. You've got neo-nazis and neo-confederates controlling the Republican Party and Republicans say they are the party of Lincoln.

[-] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Lol, maybe that's what progressives need to do just invade Republican politics and take IT over!

Switch the sides again!

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Might be easier than getting Democrats to treat progressives as valued members of their constituency.

[-] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago

They should stay in their current path and fade off into obscurity

[-] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Who do you think would occupy that power vacuum? Because, just like spreading open your butthole in outer space while in orbit, shit will blow out.

[-] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago

Doesnt matter, continuing to feed the monster only gets a larger monster. Let it die

[-] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 months ago

Thanks to idiot non voters there will not be a chance to dump these policies since there wont be another election

[-] Shardikprime@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago

Man, you really need to touch grass. 4 years will pass, another election will be held, and you will be just wasting time dwelling into that thought.

Better prepare for the future

[-] takeda@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

This is BS. People saying Kamala was too liberal, or too centrist, she was riding too much on Biden achievements or not enough etc etc.

The real reason for this is that majority of people no longer get their news from MSM, they get their news from social media which are hevily slanted for trump. Not only GOP understands how influential those are, but they are helped with foreign entities who are free to use these media as well.

This also isn't just happening to US but also to Europe.

The fucking solution is to get your family off of Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok etc. it is a cancer and essentially hacks their brain.

You might think that social media is great, because everyone can have a voice. This might be true for sites like Lemmy, but in other places what you post is irrelevant, because their algorithm controls what others see. It is very clever, because they can hide behind freedom of speech to not restrict the sites, while essentially still having full control of what it is shown and zero consequences.

With AI they don't even need people anymore they can generate content themselves and say it is a real user.

Why do you think companies involved in social media are also heavily invested with generative AI?

[-] SeattleRain@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago

There's been a right wing media since the 1970's, Xitter has always been an also ran social media site and while Facebook is the largest social media site it's long past it's heyday and is filled primarily with bots and boomers.

You're getting everything backwards. The only reason why Democrats won in the past 50 years is because they have been riding on the their past actual progressive achievements like Social Security, Medicare, Good Stamps, The Civil Rights Act, etc.

Now that they're done nothing but take turns with the GOP destroying those government safety nets there's no goddamn reason for voters to vote for Democrats.

Oh and the whole reason why the right has a strangle hold on media is because of Democratic deregulation of media and telecommunications.

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