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[-] Lemming421@lemmy.world 43 points 20 hours ago

Honestly, vapes are so new, disposable ones should never have been legalised.

[-] ryannathans@aussie.zone 6 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

These vapes been around for 20+ years, they have just become trendier now, maybe because they got smaller

[-] riodoro1@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Not single use ones.

[-] Lemming421@lemmy.world 13 points 18 hours ago

We knew about the environment and recycling 20 years ago…

[-] ryannathans@aussie.zone 4 points 15 hours ago

Only thing that changed is production started of single use, China is pumping these things out and everyone is eating them up as grey/black market imports

[-] rbn@sopuli.xyz 34 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

As far as I know despite being a single-use item, these vapes mostly contain rechargable battery cells of type 18650. Even though they are probably rather cheap and low quality cells, they still have around 2300 mAh at 3.6 V current. This gives us 8250 mWh per cell. One million of them would be 8250 kWh, enough for 100-200 electric cars. Every day. In a full year that's 3011250 kWh or around 3 gigawatt hours of storage capacity.

3 gigawatt hours is the capacity of the number 1 biggest battery-based energy storage system in the world: https://www.energy-storage.news/moss-landing-worlds-biggest-battery-storage-project-is-now-3gwh-capacity/

Tossed in the trash. Only from single use vapes. Every year. And only in the UK.

I hope there's no major flaw in my calculation but if it's not, that's really a crazy figure.

[-] felixwhynot@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago

These batteries are free! You can just take them!

[-] dumbass@leminal.space 5 points 12 hours ago

I used to give my empty ones to my niece's bf, he rips them apart and makes shit with them.

[-] IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago

I had an ex who collected them, wired them together and now uses the bundle to power an electric bus. It's crazy that it just goes in the trash.

[-] ryannathans@aussie.zone 6 points 19 hours ago

Most single use contain lithium polymer packs, not 18650s, but yes

[-] derpgon@programming.dev 4 points 6 hours ago

1000% this. 18650s are used in regular vapes, and they are definitely not cheap to be used in disposables.

[-] Damage@feddit.it 20 points 20 hours ago
[-] felixwhynot@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

I think we’re bad at choosing things that are inconvenient if the risk is abstract, but not necessarily stupid per se

[-] kipo@lemm.ee 6 points 16 hours ago

Does the UK have anti-smoking or anti-vaping campaigns, or did they ever? That seems like a lot of people are vaping.

[-] Womble@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Smoking yes, the UK has the 2nd lowest rate of smoking in the EU (+UK obviously). There hasnt been any significant anti-vaping campaign I'm aware of, because there is a tension that despite it being bad for you its nowhere near as bad as smoking, so getting people off tobacco and onto vapes is a net benefit. Though there does seem to be a growing consensus that vapes have been too permissively regulated thus far and to righten rules around selling them.

[-] ramsorge@discuss.online 41 points 1 day ago

Just pass a law that anything intended to be disposable needs to be made with 100% biodegradable material. Selling refillable oil is obviously cleaner and cheaper to make.

This is just profit over planet.

[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 22 hours ago

Make it so that brands need to accept electronic devices back for free.

[-] Anivia@feddit.org 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Already the case in Germany, yet everyone still just throws them away out of convenience

[-] ramsorge@discuss.online 7 points 20 hours ago

Or unlock them for Linux so we can keep using them after EOL.

[-] then_three_more@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago

It would need to be naturally biodegradable without leaving any kind of dangerous chemicals. A lot of so called biodegradable plastics can only actually be biodegraded in an industrial compostor.

[-] ramsorge@discuss.online 3 points 17 hours ago

Sounds like we need things that aren’t disposable

[-] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 9 points 23 hours ago

Then they lobby a law to define 100% biodegradable and the lobbyists successfully push for it to mean it will EVENTUALLY bio degrade*

*In 1000 years

[-] ramsorge@discuss.online 8 points 23 hours ago

Not enough dead billionaires.

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 points 22 hours ago

As is tradition

[-] BertramDitore@lemm.ee 13 points 21 hours ago

The UK has a population of just over 69 million.

These numbers are legitimately mind-boggling, I’m having a hard time believing it:

Thirteen vapes are discarded every second in the UK, adding up to more than a million each day.

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