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When a fraudster who tried to overthrow democracy and rightfully convicted of 34 felonies, still gets reelected as president, it is evident that there is no justice anymore.

[-] obinice@lemmy.world 65 points 1 week ago

You reminded me of something I read from back around when that bloke got elected, regarding amongst other things, the decline in the rule of law mattering to society...

"The greatness of Rome, brilliant with repeated marks of prosperity, has gradually faded... the ancient glory of military prowess and valour has almost passed away... by the growth of wealth and luxury.

The Roman world is falling: yet we concern ourselves with trifles… We heap up riches that perish and bury our gold in the earth as if we were piling up treasures in a lifetime of prosperity.

Rome was great and could tolerate its own vices as long as they were held in check by some degree of virtue; but when our hands ceased to uphold the laws, when avarice and luxury sapped the nation’s strength, the state itself lost control and went its way.

The finest men were shut out from office by the lowest dregs of society, who, having won the favour of the mob by base means, ventured to grasp at the highest offices.

The greater her glory, the more incredible it seems that she has been brought so low.

Empires are mortal. Rome has perished. Though she was built upon such firm foundations, Rome has sunk by her own weight."

- Ammianus Marcellinus, Eusebius Sophronius Hieronymus, Tacitus, Aurelius Ambrosius, Aurelius Augustinus Hipponensis. 56 - 430 AD.

[-] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 week ago

Can you indicate which author is associated with which portion of your quoted text? I'm looking to verify the provenance of these statements. Thank you.

[-] obinice@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Alas no, I saw this a while back and saved it. I believe they're mostly a mix of direct quotes (or as much as one can be given they weren't speaking English), and a lot of summations from their published works. So rather than reading a whole book, you get a few sentences carrying their main points.

At least that's what I recall :-)

My suggestion would be to look in to the authors, find their relevant works and give them a read, that'll give you the same thoughts and opinions but with way more detail :-D

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[-] sic_semper_tyrannis@lemmy.today 22 points 1 week ago

It's been evident long before Trump had anything to do with politics

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Agreed.

The wealthy and powerful sadly have always and will always have a preferential justice system.

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 24 points 1 week ago

There is no justice system, it is a legal system. Justice does not exist within it.

[-] pfr@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 week ago

Came here to say exactly this

[-] DrDickHandler@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

/ End Thread

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 112 points 1 week ago

On Monday, 26-year-old Daniel Penny was acquitted after killing Jordan Neely, a desperate Black homeless man on the subway...

Tale as old as time.

[-] theangryseal@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago

“…on the grounds that he was trying to protect others.”

I think that’s a pretty fucking important line right there.

[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think the point is, the system pushed one man to his breaking point simply for being poor, black, and mentally ill; resulting in his eventual strangulation on a subway. Not saying the the situation didn't require intervention but acting as if the whole thing was "unavoidable" or even "justified" gladiator giving all the context is Pretty Fucking Important

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago

It wasn't unavoidable but also it was his aggressive behaviour towards others that directly lead to him being subdued. I'm not sure the situation would've been different with a white guy acting aggressive towards fellow passengers, especially a mother and her child.

[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

The point is neither situation should ever happen in a system that puts humanity over profits. A mentally ill, homeless, and starving person should exist in our society because we have the means to house, feed, and provide Healthcare for everyone. (we just don't have the morality)

Also, the strangle hold was applied for 5 min. I'm no expert but when someone goes limp from blood flow being blocked, you usually don't need to continue choking them for an additional 4 min.

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[-] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 5 points 1 week ago

Imagine if the defense pulls that line in court. My client gun down this man to save lives your honor!

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[-] Sharpiemarker@startrek.website 73 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I've seen people comparing the DOJ response to Luigi Mangioni and Kyle Shittenhouse. The fact that Rittenhouse is free should tell you everything you need to know.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Well the difference is that while both actively premeditated their murders whoever committed the crimes Mangioni has been accused of is far more of a menace because they had a specific target in mind and even worse it was someone rich instead of just anyone protesting the police tendency to murder.

[-] prayer@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago

Rittenhouse attacked 3 people, that's 3x the danger. But I guess I forgot to count up their net worths.

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[-] MojoMcJojo@lemmy.world 51 points 1 week ago

A stark reminder of who the justice system works for. They are there to protect the rich elites.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 49 points 1 week ago

Yup. The irony wasn't lost on us either.

[-] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago

I don't think these are comparable.

[-] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago

I think that's the point of the article.

[-] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

You both make good points so I up voted.

[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 13 points 1 week ago

Matt Stone killed a homeless man?

[-] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago

Our society ties worth to wealth.

To a capitalist, If you're homeless, you have less moral value than someone who exploited millions of people's need for healthcare for his own gain.

And there are a lot of capitalists.

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