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Worried the United States could fall behind in artificial intelligence, the White House wants to encourage data centers and dedicated power plants.

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[-] nixfreak@sopuli.xyz 26 points 1 year ago

This is fucking stupid , AI data centers are horrible and people hate having them in residential areas, plus they use massive amounts of water. This is stupid and AI is not the future.

[-] quicklime@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

I wish I could just press "fast forward" and skip the years this society is wasting on AI, just the latest (cough... very profitable for the elite few) distraction from facing the rapidly looming polycrisis more directly.

[-] Argonne@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

AI is not a trend. It's like calling computers a trend. Good luck

[-] quicklime@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

In thirty years we will have neither, and the surviving humans will be living at a mostly pre-industrial level of technology, unable to repair or rebuild most of what exists today.

[-] Argonne@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Ok, go back to the equivalent of r/conspiracy lol 😆 😂

[-] quicklime@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

Gladly, but more like r/collapse 😐

[-] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

It's definitely a tend but not on the way you are thinking of. The majority of usage from what I understand is shoving AI in places they don't belong. Google search is a great example of that, a massive fucking waste of resources for people who are too lazy to go to the source and read. Once the hype dies along with a bunch of those useless AI based companies, maybe then we can focus AI in fields where it actually helps.

[-] Argonne@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

AI is already being used in places where it helps. I use it at work multiple times a day. You don't hear about that because there is nothing to rage about that. It's a tool that helps when used right. You are talking about the dumb uses, but you can say that about anything. There is a lot of dumb talk about AI it feels like a blind hate echo chamber

[-] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

Bruh obviously. Hence why I used the word "majority" and "focus".

[-] Argonne@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Point still stands bro. You just don't hear about the other uses. It's just what YOU hear about, which is mostly dumb AI shit. Just this weekend I used AI to upscale an old 720p video to 4K

[-] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

I am well aware of them including ai upscaling, workflow usage, etc. My point is completely different, not on usage of AI.

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

They only good use I've seen is making dagoth ur say funny things.

[-] Argonne@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago

AI is the future though. Open your eyes https://situational-awareness.ai/

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

And, let me guess, we'll need to drill for oil on those federal lands so we can power those data centers.

All for AI that almost no one wants.

[-] DurbanPoison@feddit.nl 7 points 1 year ago

Don't worry, they'll probably build taxpayer-subsidised nuclear power plants for electricity which won't be available for access for the general public.

[-] irotsoma@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

But the general public will have to pay to store and secure all of the waste and clean it up when natural disasters hit the pools.

Nuclear waste isn't stored in pools

[-] quicklime@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Pee isn't stored in the balls. (couldn't resist)

[-] irotsoma@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

What?????? Spent Fuel Pools (SFPs) are the most common place it's stored. They're what ended up getting flooded and spilling into the ocean in the Fukushima disaster.

https://www.nrc.gov/waste/spent-fuel-storage/pools.html

Casks are by far, like it's not even close, the most common storage method. SFPs aren't even long term storage options.

...and no, that's not what caused the radiation leak into the ocean at Fukushima.

You people actually make me sick sometimes. I'm sure the oil industry pays you well but Christ, someone needs to DDD your bosses so we don't have to deal with you anymore.

[-] irotsoma@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

What are you talking about. The description in the parent site of the one I linked says specifically, "Currently, most spent nuclear fuel is safely stored in specially designed pools at individual reactor sites around the country."

And no sh*t it's not a long term storage method. But it's where most of our waste is right now in the US.

And no, I'm starkly anti-fossil-fuel, but nuclear is 100% not cleaner unless you ignore the waste entirely. There are so many renewables and other options for cheaper, cleaner energy. But companies don't count waste disposal as an operating cost (only short term storage), so nuclear looks cheap to investors because 1 million years kind of longterm isn't part of their investment strategy. And that's how long we need to be able to store a lot of this stuff unless it's fully reprocessed down to safe levels of radiation, which has proven totally unprofitable in the short-term (decades-term), so it's never been done.

https://www.nrc.gov/waste/spent-fuel-storage.html

[-] nifty@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Why can’t we just use nuclear power for this? I know some companies are planning it. Using any other energy source is inefficient and expensive for AI training.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Great idea...

Let's make sure Elmo and trump can build data centers on federal lands wherever they want, surely nothing could go wrong.

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