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[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 5 hours ago

Tbf, hot dogs aren't exactly a luxury food, Gawaltney (sp) sells packs for (well it used to be 99¢/8dogs, but it's probably risen since covid, prob $2ish now.) Sure those are the worst dogs and they coat your mouth in a weird film when you eat them, but if I was a starving north korean I'm not holding out for Sabrets.

They also have a longer shelf life than you'd likely be comfortable with due to the preservatives, they're fully cooked in the package so if you don't have power you can eat 'em cold, easily and cheaply mass producible, and lets be honest, other than gawaltney they're pretty damn good! I could totally see them being a semi-regular part of their diet, but of course I've never been to NK this is all just based on hot dog knowledge, so of course I could be wrong lol.

[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Walmart still sells 8 packs of Bar-S hot dogs for $1

[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago

I solute the internet wiener warriors. It's a flaccid fight but someone's got to cover it. Better your buns than mine. Y'all cut the mustard. Katsup later, biiiii!

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 33 points 12 hours ago

Jesus Christ.

So GDP isn't a good measure to use for this. The price of goods is very different from country to country, and GDP often doesn't translate to living conditions for the average person.

I tried to look up some information, since I don't actually know which is the poorer country, and I had no idea how really bad it was in North Korea. Haiti is a nightmare also. People are starving in both countries, which of course means that things are real real bad. But...

Average annual income in Haiti is $1,760. That's sure not great. Even with PPP, that's bad.

It's hard to tell anything about North Korea. But here's what I found: Average legal annual income in North Korea is from 60,000 to 120,000 won. Guess how much an egg costs?

1,500 won.

A standard legal income in North Korea is from $12 to $36 per year.

80% of people supplement their income with some form of illegal free-market activity, obviously. And there are a certain amount of rations provided by the state in addition to straight wages. Otherwise, everyone would starve. The black market is tolerated to some extent, although it is technically illegal. It's impossible to determine how much income is generated from it, so we have no idea.

Here's more: https://www.nknews.org/2022/02/whats-in-it-for-the-working-man-why-north-koreans-show-up-for-low-wage-jobs/

Honestly, if I had to guess, I think the Haitians probably have it worse off economically. Congratulations NK! You're not worst in the world.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 points 4 hours ago

As a general rule I just don't trust what anyone says about North Korea, the whole thing is so propagandized from every angle you might as well be trying to figure out the average yearly income of the people on North Sentinel Island.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

As a general rule I just don’t trust what anyone says about North Korea,

Ah, it's like arguing with a conservative and then hearing them say, "But who knows what's REALLY true?"

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social -2 points 2 hours ago

Sure bro. That's exactly what this famously propagandized topic is like.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

Yes, it's exactly what the topic is like. There isn't a goddamn topic in existence that isn't 'famously propagandized' to someone.

It's not any better than the people exercising arbitrary skepticism about the Soviet Union or the PRC.

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 3 points 3 hours ago

Can you show me some propaganda from the anti-North-Korea angle, and why it isn't true?

I think there is pro-North Korea propaganda, and there is the truth which is horrifying and some people claim is propaganda. I'm not sure that much of the anti-North Korea stuff is propaganda. I'm open to being shown that I am wrong about that, though.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social -1 points 3 hours ago

One, I didn't say I believe "pro" North Korean propaganda. Just that there's so many lies I don't accept anything as true at face value.

Two, sure, as long as you show me how to prove a negative.

Which is actually possible, as it happens, but it's a lot more work than I'm interested in doing for a topic I literally just said is beset by propaganda on both sides. If you want to believe every criticism you hear about an objectively fucked up neo-monarchy is true, go for it.

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I am saying that I don't believe that it is beset by propaganda on both sides. I believe it's beset by propaganda and lies on one side, and the other side is mostly just the truth.

You're not required to be interested in showing me why I'm wrong, of course. I was just curious.

Edit: Also... how in the world is "can you show me some propaganda from the anti-North-Korea angle" asking you to prove a negative? I'm the one claiming more or less a blanket negative, and politely asking for one counterexample if you feel like providing one.

[-] Zozano@aussie.zone 16 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Get out of here ya fuckin' westoid /s

[-] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 hours ago

wtf is a WeStIoD dUfUs???

/s

[-] loaf@sh.itjust.works 39 points 13 hours ago

I finally just blocked the entire instance. A lot of those folks aren’t exactly… right.

The hardcore tankies as just as bad as holocaust deniers.

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago

Pretty sure most of them are holocaust deniers, just not the Holocaust you're thinking of.

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 2 points 3 hours ago

How do you do that? I've reached my limit.

[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 7 points 7 hours ago

Same. I really wanted to be around other leftists but holy fuck the vast majority of them need serious help.

[-] loaf@sh.itjust.works 6 points 7 hours ago

My first account was on .ml, and it took me about half an hour to get completely jumped by a bunch of Stalinists. Ended up deleting my account, and was hesitant to create a new one.

Thankfully, it seems to be two instances, and I’ve blocked them both. My experience after that has been great.

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Three instances. ML, Lemmygrad, and Hexbear

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 4 hours ago

I haven't seen the actual Lemmygrad in my feed in a year, even on this sub.

[-] DarkSirrush@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 hours ago

Lemmygrab gets defederated a lot, your instance admin probably decided they aren't worth it and blocked them entirely.

[-] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

Wait, is ml supposed to be left leaning? 😂

[-] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

They leaned so far to the left they ended up doing a headstand

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 14 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Tankies and fascists have more in common with each other, and feudalists, than they do with workers/socialists. I'm convinced the horseshoe theory is just narcissism presenting across the political spectrum.

Only a fucking narcissist could believe authoritarianism, control, and subjugation are desirable. That's why its delusions of grandeur and megalomania all the way down.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago

Authoritarians gonna auth. Why particular holy book they wave around, the Bible, das Kapital, mein Kampf or whatever they have in North Korea is merely incidental.

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

I’d say the equivalent in Nork is probably On the Juche Idea

[-] spacecadet@lemm.ee 2 points 8 hours ago

Just got majorly downvoted on works for asking why free speech is a bad thing and the only response was a snarky comment saying I’m from 300 years ago.

I’m about to delete my account after being on here for a year and a half because most popular Lemmy instances are just turning into the worst parts of twitter exiles.

[-] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Don't be childish, you must know that going against the circlejerk/hivemind is a guaranteed downvote brigade on any social media site. But depending on the thread/community/server/phase of the moon, the hivemind can believe completely contradictory things.

You just have to read the room, and if you're going against the general mood in the thread, you have to put in extra effort to get your point across. And sometimes you just wear the downvotes like a badge of honor, because it means you're not a sheep.

[-] spacecadet@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago

I guess because Lemmy is getting so many more active users after twitter and Reddit fallouts that some of the qualities that it used to have regarding are being drown out.

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

You mean sh.itjust.works when you say works?

[-] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 hours ago

It was on news@lemmy.world, you can see the comment on their profile

[-] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 8 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Tankies are just fashists who are exploiting the glitch that makes the ideology behind the largest mass murders in history more socially acceptable in the west.

[-] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago

Good to see dufus still in the running. Classic.

[-] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 18 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Tbf, North Korea is almost certainly wealthier than Haiti. North Korean GDP figures from western sources are completely made up, their economy is a black box. In fact, many GDP estimates of developing economies are inaccurate at best, if not dead wrong. Turns out that people living at the subsistence level, as well as authoritarian dictators and warlords, aren't particularly interested in reporting their earnings for taxation purposes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informal_economy

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 4 points 3 hours ago

Everything you said up until the last two words was correct. The inaccuracy isn't primarily caused by North Korean citizens inaccurately reporting, it's the government that doesn't release any information, or cooperate with other nations in activities that could help estimate numbers.

[-] fxomt@lemm.ee 12 points 13 hours ago

That whole thread was a shitshow... That's what you get when posting tabloids ig :/

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 8 points 13 hours ago

The up and downvote ratios are disappointing, but it's good to see them getting fact checked.

[-] BMTea@lemmy.world 13 points 12 hours ago

It's not strictly a fact check. Due to A) Haiti's governance collapse and B) no reliable estimate of conditions of life across all North Korea

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