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[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 7 hours ago

Tbf, hot dogs aren't exactly a luxury food, Gawaltney (sp) sells packs for (well it used to be 99¢/8dogs, but it's probably risen since covid, prob $2ish now.) Sure those are the worst dogs and they coat your mouth in a weird film when you eat them, but if I was a starving north korean I'm not holding out for Sabrets.

They also have a longer shelf life than you'd likely be comfortable with due to the preservatives, they're fully cooked in the package so if you don't have power you can eat 'em cold, easily and cheaply mass producible, and lets be honest, other than gawaltney they're pretty damn good! I could totally see them being a semi-regular part of their diet, but of course I've never been to NK this is all just based on hot dog knowledge, so of course I could be wrong lol.

[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Walmart still sells 8 packs of Bar-S hot dogs for $1

[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago

I solute the internet wiener warriors. It's a flaccid fight but someone's got to cover it. Better your buns than mine. Y'all cut the mustard. Katsup later, biiiii!

[-] loaf@sh.itjust.works 41 points 15 hours ago

I finally just blocked the entire instance. A lot of those folks aren’t exactly… right.

The hardcore tankies as just as bad as holocaust deniers.

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago

Pretty sure most of them are holocaust deniers, just not the Holocaust you're thinking of.

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 2 points 6 hours ago

How do you do that? I've reached my limit.

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 16 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Tankies and fascists have more in common with each other, and feudalists, than they do with workers/socialists. I'm convinced the horseshoe theory is just narcissism presenting across the political spectrum.

Only a fucking narcissist could believe authoritarianism, control, and subjugation are desirable. That's why its delusions of grandeur and megalomania all the way down.

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[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 7 points 10 hours ago

Same. I really wanted to be around other leftists but holy fuck the vast majority of them need serious help.

[-] loaf@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 hours ago

My first account was on .ml, and it took me about half an hour to get completely jumped by a bunch of Stalinists. Ended up deleting my account, and was hesitant to create a new one.

Thankfully, it seems to be two instances, and I’ve blocked them both. My experience after that has been great.

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Three instances. ML, Lemmygrad, and Hexbear

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 6 hours ago

I haven't seen the actual Lemmygrad in my feed in a year, even on this sub.

[-] DarkSirrush@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 hours ago

Lemmygrab gets defederated a lot, your instance admin probably decided they aren't worth it and blocked them entirely.

[-] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

Wait, is ml supposed to be left leaning? 😂

[-] daellat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

That's kinda the definition of tankies no? Being so pro Soviet/china that you become what you were supposed to hate, an imperialist

[-] psud@aussie.zone 1 points 50 minutes ago

Being in favour of authoritarian regimes does not make one a leftist

[-] daellat@lemmy.world 1 points 48 minutes ago

No, but why do you reply that to my message? Seems wholly irrelevant

[-] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

They leaned so far to the left they ended up doing a headstand

[-] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 8 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Tankies are just fashists who are exploiting the glitch that makes the ideology behind the largest mass murders in history more socially acceptable in the west.

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 32 points 15 hours ago

Jesus Christ.

So GDP isn't a good measure to use for this. The price of goods is very different from country to country, and GDP often doesn't translate to living conditions for the average person.

I tried to look up some information, since I don't actually know which is the poorer country, and I had no idea how really bad it was in North Korea. Haiti is a nightmare also. People are starving in both countries, which of course means that things are real real bad. But...

Average annual income in Haiti is $1,760. That's sure not great. Even with PPP, that's bad.

It's hard to tell anything about North Korea. But here's what I found: Average legal annual income in North Korea is from 60,000 to 120,000 won. Guess how much an egg costs?

1,500 won.

A standard legal income in North Korea is from $12 to $36 per year.

80% of people supplement their income with some form of illegal free-market activity, obviously. And there are a certain amount of rations provided by the state in addition to straight wages. Otherwise, everyone would starve. The black market is tolerated to some extent, although it is technically illegal. It's impossible to determine how much income is generated from it, so we have no idea.

Here's more: https://www.nknews.org/2022/02/whats-in-it-for-the-working-man-why-north-koreans-show-up-for-low-wage-jobs/

Honestly, if I had to guess, I think the Haitians probably have it worse off economically. Congratulations NK! You're not worst in the world.

[-] lukewarm_ozone@lemmy.today 1 points 1 hour ago

A standard legal income in North Korea is from $12 to $36 per year.

That seems like it can't possibly be true. Where is this statistic actually coming from? I can find a bunch of other unclearly-sourced estimates like $50/month, which is more more reasonable.

(Looking for actual papers I find this, which cites an estimate of $1700 purchasing-power-parity-GDP/year/capita. The paper itself estimates per-county wealth via radiance as seen from satellites, and gets "around $790 per capita and 60% poverty rate". It's pretty unclear how this can be price-adjusted but it's not "100 eggs per year" low, at least.)

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 1 points 1 hour ago

I have no idea how statistically solid the article's estimate is. It goes into enough detail that I assumed it was reliable, which might have been a bad assumption, and I looked at some other sources more or less at random and they all roughly corroborated what it said. I do think that the published figures for what a normal "official" salary range in North Korea, and roughly what the black-market exchange rate of dollars to won and rough goods prices, are visible enough numbers that it's not crazy to think that someone from the outside could know what they are.

Actual income levels from illegal free-market activity there is no way to know, so I didn't try to estimate, and none of the sources I looked at made any attempt to claim they knew what the value was, which I counted as a point in their favor.

I'm not convinced by the paper. I don't think GDP is too useful a metric for estimating poverty in a personal-impact sense, and even that aside, I'm not real convinced that measuring the literal brightness of a country from space is a good way to get anything more than somewhere in the same mega-ballpark distance of the answer. Especially when you're dealing with an exceptional outlier and then applying a calculation you arrived at from measuring non-outliers to it.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 6 hours ago

As a general rule I just don't trust what anyone says about North Korea, the whole thing is so propagandized from every angle you might as well be trying to figure out the average yearly income of the people on North Sentinel Island.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

As a general rule I just don’t trust what anyone says about North Korea,

Ah, it's like arguing with a conservative and then hearing them say, "But who knows what's REALLY true?"

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social -3 points 5 hours ago

Sure bro. That's exactly what this famously propagandized topic is like.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago

Yes, it's exactly what the topic is like. There isn't a goddamn topic in existence that isn't 'famously propagandized' to someone.

It's not any better than the people exercising arbitrary skepticism about the Soviet Union or the PRC.

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 3 points 5 hours ago

Can you show me some propaganda from the anti-North-Korea angle, and why it isn't true?

I think there is pro-North Korea propaganda, and there is the truth which is horrifying and some people claim is propaganda. I'm not sure that much of the anti-North Korea stuff is propaganda. I'm open to being shown that I am wrong about that, though.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social -1 points 5 hours ago

One, I didn't say I believe "pro" North Korean propaganda. Just that there's so many lies I don't accept anything as true at face value.

Two, sure, as long as you show me how to prove a negative.

Which is actually possible, as it happens, but it's a lot more work than I'm interested in doing for a topic I literally just said is beset by propaganda on both sides. If you want to believe every criticism you hear about an objectively fucked up neo-monarchy is true, go for it.

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

I am saying that I don't believe that it is beset by propaganda on both sides. I believe it's beset by propaganda and lies on one side, and the other side is mostly just the truth.

You're not required to be interested in showing me why I'm wrong, of course. I was just curious.

Edit: Also... how in the world is "can you show me some propaganda from the anti-North-Korea angle" asking you to prove a negative? I'm the one claiming more or less a blanket negative, and politely asking for one counterexample if you feel like providing one.

[-] Zozano@aussie.zone 16 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Get out of here ya fuckin' westoid /s

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[-] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago

Good to see dufus still in the running. Classic.

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