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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) by ShotDonkey@lemmy.world to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

In an unexpected mask off "secure" email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton's services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let's collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here ๐Ÿ”๐Ÿ‘‡

Always try to provide:

-Server location (jurisdiction)

-Governance

-Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency

-User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8)

-Pricing and links

If you know alternative setups, feel free to share, too.

#ProtonExodus

Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

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[-] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 91 points 23 hours ago

Wow!

Of all companies, this is one I didn't expect.

Damn.

[-] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 60 points 23 hours ago

the good news is this is a lesson to never trust any entity whose role in the world is to accumulate capital

[-] xapr@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 22 hours ago

What's insane is that didn't Proton just recently announce they were converting to a non-profit?

Yes, they did: https://proton.me/blog/proton-non-profit-foundation

Yea, and Andy Yen is only one of five members on the board of the Non-Profit organization, so you'll just have to gamble that everyone else isn't this weird (if you still want to continue using Proton services, that is, your choice ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ).

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[-] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 44 points 22 hours ago

Why would this be unexpected?

Proton already handed over the IP of a climate protester to authorities several years ago, while boasting that they had a no log policy.

https://therecord.media/protonmail-forced-to-collect-an-activists-ip-address-in-police-investigation

Every time, in the past few years, that I bring this up, everyone just acts like I'm setting an impossible standard and no alternative exists.

Proton has been shady for years.

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[-] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 94 points 23 hours ago

Phew! For a moment I thought you were talking about the steam compatibility thingy.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 40 points 23 hours ago

If that proton goes nazi, I am going straight to the farm

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[-] TCB13@lemmy.world 19 points 19 hours ago

This is amazing. People were perfectly okay with ignoring all the red flags in Proton and their products and really okay with buying all their bullshit, then a tweet saying Trump comes up and that's it. lol

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[-] tomatol@lemm.ee 7 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Thanks for this post. Any alternatives for Drive specifically?? Including self-hosted options

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[-] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 29 points 21 hours ago

Tweet is from early december. Why is it blowing up now?

[-] Saleh@feddit.org 12 points 18 hours ago

I guess on the one hand people are anxious about Trumps inaugeration and on the other hand this is a great opportunity for competitors or otherwise opposed people to launch an astroturfing campaign off of it.

When looking at posts titled has gone "full MAGA" for saying they feel Trump is more likely to enact antitrust rules against big tech than Democrats who let them down the past years, is just absurd.

It is the same line of reasoning like claiming the WHO to have been a chinese asset because they supported some of Chinas anti-Covid measures.

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[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 31 points 22 hours ago

Mullvad is supposed to be a safe and secure VPN.

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[-] Akasazh@feddit.nl 9 points 18 hours ago

Damn it my two year subscription just got refreshed...

[-] AnAmericanPotato@programming.dev 29 points 22 hours ago

Tuta.com is similar to Proton Mail + Calendar.

  • Location: Germany

  • Governance: Private GmbH (German corporation, similar to an American LLC)

  • Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency: Better than Proton IMHO. All their apps are open source and available on F-Droid. They encrypt email headers (unlike Proton, who are weaselly about this in their marketing materials).

  • User Experience: Ehhhh...6? I'm not in the best position to compare because I do not have a premium plan, so I am not able to examine features like inbox rules/filters. Much like Proton, it doesn't support full-text email search unless you have it cache your entire mailbox locally (either via the web site or app). They do not support POP or IMAP, but do offer their own desktop and mobile apps.

  • Pricing: โ‚ฌ3/month for 20GB, โ‚ฌ8/month for 500GB. https://tuta.com/pricing

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