Have been a professional software engineer for 8 years now. Have yet to find a reason to use vim for anything (other than availability of course, but if nano isn't installed for some godforsaken reason I have other problems lol).
Fair. But to a sysadmin or devops engineer availability is pretty important.
I feel like I’m the only person using KDevelop
Ewww not even vscodium
I would argue that vim is fantastic for a lot of editing and coding tasks, just not all of them.
Where it utterly fails is with deep trees of files in codebases, like you see in Java or some Javascript/Typescript apps. Even with a robust suite of add-ons, you wind up backing into full-bore IDE territory to manage that much filesystem complexity. Only difference is that navigating and managing a large file tree w/o a mouse is kind of torture.
File-based navigation is often inefficient anyway (symbolic navigation is much better when you can), but if you do need it, that's what fuzzy finders are for. Blows any mouse-based navigation out of the water.
The only time a visual structure is useful is when you are actually just interested in learning how things are structured for whatever reason, but for that task, tree works just fine anyway.
It always surprises me how complicated some of the editor tooling sounds in threads like this. Obviously once you learn how to use these things they are powerful, but how do people have the patience to deal with all of that in the beginning? This is coming from a guy who writes scripts constantly to avoid doing tedious, error-prone things.
Also I keep seeing people say vscode is slow. One of the reasons I switched to it is that it's insanely fast compared to other editors I used (even those with far-inferior featuresets) 🤷♂️
but how do people have the patience to deal with all of that in the beginning?
Whenever I was frustrated with a stupid undecipherable error message, I would just tweak my vim config a bit.
Within a few minutes, my rage at the error would be completely replaced with rage toward vimscript.
Then I would revert my vim config change, and return to the undecipherable error message with a fresh perspective. mainly relief that at least it's not vimscript.
Joking aside, I really did learn vim mostly during coffee breaks or while waiting on some long running build process.
Code and intellij have plugins available to use vim keybindings on them. I like this approach to get the best of both worlds
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