I like musicals and still think it was pretty bad. It's a jukebox musical which are usually bad anyway.

Almost none of the songs move the story forward. Most of them are just we are in love numbers. You get one maybe two of those a musical.

Joaquin Phoenix is a good actor and a terrible singer. Lady Gaga is a good singer and terrible actor. So every scene with them both has one of them doing a bad job.

I agree it didn't suck, but in addition to not being the movie people wanted, it also wasn't good at the thing it was.

I'd be shocked if it won any razzies given the stiff competition, but that doesn't mean making it was a good idea.

but the movie they needed

That was kind of the point of that movie.

But I thought they did really good in it.

Joker 2 winning anything would be a snub to how terrible Borderlands and Madame Web were. Punish the corporate slop, not the artsy risk that didn't pan out.

i'm convinced that whole thing is a tax fraud. i don't know how specifically, but it's a scam/scheme

the movie is intentionally bad. if he's bad in it, it's just because he did the job he was asked, aka, he did a good job being an actor

It has very slow segments but I'd agree it was well done mostly, until the end. That ending is the stupidest shit ever. Very disappointing.

"most expensive art film I've paid to see" is what I said to my friends as we left the theater

Why I'd give it to Madame Web is Borderlands was heavily edited late on to remove any violence, leaving it a real mess and not what was intended. With Madame Web what you get on the screen is closer to what was intended (although the actors claim what they shot wasn't the script they signed up for).