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[-] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz 24 points 1 week ago

I've never understood how or why this is an issue.

Shortly after Spez's petulant AMA, I ran across a link for Lemmy. org. It looked interesting, so I followed it. I poked around a bit, and it still looked interesting, so I picked an instance and created an account. I played with it a bit, then I went back and found a different instance that looked interesting and created an account there too. And I just kept reading and posting, just like I'd done on Reddit (and half a dozen different sites before that). Some instances came and went and I lost some accounts and created others and eventually settled into a few that I like best, and just read and posted and didn't leave. The end.

But it seems that every time I turn around, someone's going on about the hardships of moving to a different site and all the difficulties to be overcome and yadda yadda yadda, and I just don't get it. At all.

[-] thisismyname@lemm.ee 11 points 1 week ago

I've been trying for weeks to get friends to move to Signal. They don't have to delete WhatsApp or Facebook Messenger to use Signal. Some of these people have got degrees in various computer disciplines and still won't even give it a try. I don't understand the reluctance to try new software either. If their job or uni asks them to use a piece of software they'll try it no bother but if a friend asks it's impossible. It's so strange.

[-] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 week ago

Their life would be easier if you didn't use Signal, simple as.

I don't agree with it, but that's the reason.

There's an xkcd about this: https://xkcd.com/1810/

[-] WaxiestSteam69@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

As the only Android user in a social group of iPhone users I felt this way too much.

[-] mac@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

You can forward yourself iMessages from a mac via bluebubbles

[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago

So just buy a mac. Got it.

[-] mac@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

I see some older mac minis on eBay for $50-75. But yeah you'd need a mac

[-] tal@lemmy.today 3 points 1 week ago

I see wall (Unix) but not talk (Unix) or PHONE (VMS).

[-] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Same here. About 25% have picked up Signal, the others haven't. Even though, like you say, they don't have to drop WhatsApp to get Signal. They aren't mutually exclusive.

And there's no rhyme or reason for who starts using Signal. Some of my most tech-illiterate friends jumped on it, because they were sick of Facebook and Meta. As I've if them said: it's not at all difficult to start using it. So it's all about motivation.

It didn't help that there are several other similar spots or there, like Viber. So some people who have multiple already installed don't want to get yet another. I get that. But Signal is such a solid and unobtrusive app

[-] WaxiestSteam69@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

For the case of your job or school you either use what is required or you need to find another job or school. That might not be popular but it's the reality. Other relationships don't have that kind of pull. Maybe RCS could fix some of it but given what happened with XMPP I'm doubtful.

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

It was a lot easier before signal ditched sms.

[-] Pika@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There's an easy solution for that.

F em.

I did that back in 2015 when I moved to discord for my primary social platform. "I am am leaving Skype and Facebook, anyone who wants to reach me can do so at discordname"

Did all my friends move? No, did I lose anything of value doing so anyway? Also no. The people who still wanted to message me either reached out to my family or myself for a phone number, or added me on discord.

You don't need all your friends to follow, what you need is enough people to leave the platform anyway that more people use that than other platforms in your friend group. That's why Skype died as fast as it did, a combination of instability and enough people deciding they didn't care who they left behind and just went to discord anyway.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -2 points 1 week ago

If their job or uni asks them to use a piece of software they'll try it no bother but if a friend asks it's impossible.

normie and/or bootlicker mind set.

Daddy asked me to do this, so obviously it is right and proper

My friend asked me to use Signal due to "privacy", I think he roof is starting to leak again, give him lip service and continue using whatapps as the "smart" move.

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The problem is community.

Lemmy doesn't fill every hole that reddit filled. There are a lot of industry and hobby subs that just don't have the audience here. Especially the more niche ones.

Shitposting and memes...yeah, we got that in spades. But that's not what keeps people coming. You can get top-notch shitposts anywhere.

My subscribeds here are dead. I can't find direct matches for communities I have in reddit, and I have no interest (let alone time) in modding one.

[-] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago

That is a critical mass thing. Reddit 15 years ago didn't have a thriving pokemon community either. Things grow naturally over time. I think Lemmy is in a good place :)

But, for example, on Reddit there is r/hockey and a sub for each team. On Lemmy those team subs are graveyards, but if you post on c/hockey you might get enough traction to have a conversation. Find the larger community and help grow that first before fracturing to smaller ones.

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

Yeah I suppose. I came on to reddit early, before there even were subreddits, and comparing young Lemmy to an over-the-hill reddit isn't a fair comparison.

Still feels like Lemmy tries to be a drop-in replacement for Reddit (sent from Boost for Lemmy), and it really can't be until it sees much, much more growth.

[-] Takumidesh@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

The internet as a whole is also different than it was 15+ year ago.

Your typical reddit user now doesn't know what digg is or who Kevin Rose is or the significance of something like 09 F9, sites, people, and events that were big things on the internet are just nothing now.

Hell, tons of users on reddit were literally babies when reddit was young.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 2 points 1 week ago

Shitposting and memes...yeah, we got that in spades.

We got Linux, don't forget Linux mate

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 7 points 1 week ago

It's relatively easy to quit things like Reddit. There's no attachments to anything, and the content is mostly links to other sites.

When you have followers and follow specific accounts for the content, users are less inclined to leave unless those they follow and their own followers also leave.

[-] WaxiestSteam69@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

The only one that is difficult to replace is Facebook. It's still the best way to keep up with family and friends from all over. I also like Facebook Marketplace and haven't found a substitute that is as good.

[-] fluxion@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Consider that we live in a world where Trump was elected twice and you'll start to get an idea of what the issue is

[-] Xanthobilly@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Most people aren’t intellectually curious like the people here clearly are.

[-] Takumidesh@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Being on lemmy at all is going to come with huge confirmation biases.

Something to consider is that most of these issues with common social media are intangible at best and straight up invisible at worst for most users.

Most people don't care strongly enough about any of these apps or websites to be bothered. Go ask strangers on the street what they think of spez's this or that and they will say 'who's spez' followed by, 'oh, I don't really care'.

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

Leaving Facebook will be an enormous deal for half a generation that literally grew up with Facebook being the internet, period. There are enough people that have no idea what can be, so yeah, I see it

[-] Rozz@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 week ago

I mean I understand because I wanted to find a good amount of matching communities in lemmy, but that didn't fully happen. I just had to make the jump.

[-] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Most people's relationship with any given corporate / algorithm driven social media platform is akin to a drug addict.

Start viewing people who can't imagine quitting cold turkey as drug addicts, and it makes a lot more sense.

This is what happens when corpos have oodles and oodles from data on how to drive 'engagement'... and then they do that, via algorithmic content feeds and dark patterns and other kinds of manipulation.

These people are addicted to convenience, to the dopamine hits, to the rage bait, to their validating echo chambers.

They don't care that it makes them stupid, misinformed, angry, takes all their time, ruins their attention span, makes them feel like ugly failures amidst a sea of beautiful, rich influencers.

If you can't stop 'voluntarily' doing something that's bad for you without a giant fuss, without needing a guided intervention, you're an addict.

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