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Yeah sure whatever. The RoP is still bullshit just because they are doing stuff outside the scope of what is included in the rights they purchased. Apart from just ruining the character of Galadriel.
I always struggle when crappy shows and movies get dogpiled by bigots. Like, the bigots are wrong because they are bigots, but is that really the hill we need to defend? Yes, because otherwise the bigots rewrite the narrative to say that their hatred and ignorance is why the product was bad. They'll blame DEI or woke or affirmative action or whatever the Nazis are demonizing these days. But then I feel the need to trash the show for actual reasons it sucks unrelated to racism or sexism or homophobia or general intolerance. And then it feels like I'm rowing in the same direction as the bigots.
So I dunno.
Yeah, I hate this show because it shits on the legendarium and it's poorly made, not because there's a black elf and women have a modicum of agency. But if you watch 10 video critiques of the show, 1 will be well reasoned and informative, 1 will contain barely hidden dog whistles and 8 will just be philofash openly raging about minorities, "wokeism" and how women don't belong outside the kitchen.
Edit: I also feel like the reviewers and opinion writers that defended the show did a pretty poor job. Instead of the general "actually, if you don't like it you are racist" they could have attacked the bigots' bullshit while acknowledging that the show is not good. Something like "rop is bad, but not because of black people or strong women" would have had more people behind it.
Well that's just it, isn't it? The showrunners want positive press, and they'll take the anti-bigot position hoping that minorities and allies will take up the cause and defend the show. They're doing that instead of making the show better.
And there are some defenders who genuinely enjoy the show. Taste is a subjective matter, and if you like something, it's doubly offensive to be told you're wrong because of intolerance.
You also have a smattering of critics who don't like Lord of the Rings, or who are tired of big-budget fantasy settings. Those people are just haters, but you can't argue with them because there's nothing of any substance to talk about.
The people who had legitimate complaints about the show aren't motivated to defend it against bigotry (like you and I), so all you get is the echochambers filled with ulterior motives.
The show is poorly written and has lots of other problems besides, but Galadriel was pretty headstrong and adventurous in her "younger" years and so it's not unreasonable. Honestly I think her character was one of the better parts of a pretty mediocre adaptation.
The costumes were pretty great, though. The scene in S2 where they sing to the stone to open up new tunnels was also a good extrapolation.
The real issue is not the existence of darker skinned dwarves.
The issue is beardless dwarves.
There is no canon reason why Tolkien's dwarves couldn't all be bearded like Pratchett's dwarfs, and thus it must be.
This is my hill and I will die on it
Was my issue as well
Tolkien went back and forth on this, as he did with many things
Lord of the Rings, Appendix A: Durin's Folk
[Female dwarves are] in voice and appearance, and in garb if they must go on a journey, so like to the dwarf-men that the eyes and ears of other peoples cannot tell them apart.
(Yes yes, JRRT waffled on this. But come on! This is good lore, let's keep it)
Does Carrot have a beard though?
Carrot left the mines at 16, when he couldn't grow much of a beard. His early days on the watch with Colin the Traditionalist would have required being clean shaven. By the time Cuddy joined Carrot likely was set and comfortable being clean shaven. As to why he continues to shave, you'd have to ask him (or possibly Angua)
However! That doesn't make him D'rzka any more than being human by birth would. He can properly ha'lk his g'rakha, and is, in every way that matters, a dwarf.
(Ask me more about the discworld) ^•^
Him being adopted doesn't mean he isn't an exemplary dwarf.
Idunno, the show would have been still terrible even with original triology casting and original triology would've been still great with progressive cast.
Hobbits had all white casting and nobody liked it. The few people complaining about inclusivity is not enough to make the entire show to be recieved poorly, like we see time and time again on great shows and movies with inclusive casts starting like from forever ago.
Hell even mediocre at best shows do well with inclusive casting like that garbage witcher did, clearly showing inclusivity is mostly irrelevant.
Old article and I'm not convinced. Everyone should be white just like everybody imagined they would be when reading the books. /s
i need REALISM in my SCI-FI FANTASY!!1
I still think that it's a unnecessary decision, but I don't need to go apeshot on Reddit about it. If I think it's dumb, then it's just not for me. But if the show would have looked interesting then I would have watched it still; like with the first Witcher season, regardless of the whack casting.
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