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[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 76 points 2 days ago

Liang Wenfeng, DeepSeek's enigmatic founder, said in a rare interview with Chinese media outlet Waves in July that the startup "did not care" about price wars and that achieving AGI (artificial general intelligence) was its main goal.

Bazingabrainism has reached China hesitation-2

[-] Cimbazarov@hexbear.net 40 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yea it's stupid, but I have faith in the CPC to reign them in if what they do starts being counter-productive

[-] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 37 points 2 days ago

Diagnosis: Yudkowsky brain

Prognosis: Terminal

[-] dat_math@hexbear.net 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Sure, but this is also what the spokesperson of a company trying to compete with openai would have to say publicly to pander to the customers/sharehoggers, so perhaps their infection isn't quite as deep as amerikkka's

[-] Parsani@hexbear.net 25 points 2 days ago

I prefer this logic to "We are gonna make "AGI", keep it locked away and collect rents for the next hundred years and hopefully use it to kick into a new higher gear of imperialist domination".

Ofc none of these bazingabrains will ever make an "AGI", but at least deepseek isn't GriftCo.

But I hate chat bots and hedge funds. So I hope deepseek, Alibaba, openai, m$, etc, all lose. None of this shit is even worth the hardware and electricity it uses.

[-] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago

they caught the crackercranium
its contagious

[-] Yukiko@hexbear.net 40 points 2 days ago

Fuck AI to the many hells for the shit that it is. However seeing so much money evaporate in these big tech companies is the most hilarious thing I’ve seen in a while.

[-] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 39 points 2 days ago

xigma-male We are going to win so much you will be tired of winning

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 days ago

I am going to build the great firewall 10 foot higher!!!!

[-] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago

They actually put a little door in the wall so we could learn about healthcare models that don't bankrupt you for an ambulance ride and also how to make jīdàn gēng.

[-] paequ2@lemmy.today 39 points 2 days ago

Every body clap your hands. 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

How low can you go?

Can you go down low?

All the way to the floor?

📉

[-] RedWizard@hexbear.net 37 points 2 days ago
[-] godlessworm@hexbear.net 19 points 2 days ago

NOOOOO!!! MY BOSS’S FORTUNE!!!! GONE!!!! WONT ANYBODY DO SOMETHING TO STOP THIS MADNESS?!? MY BOSS WORKS VERY HARD AT MAKING ME WORK HARD SO HE CAN HAVE ALL THE MONEY MY LABOR PRODUCES!!! CANT THE GOVERNMENT STEP IN AND BAIL HIM OUT?!? I’LL TAKE A PAYCUT!!! TWO PAYCUTS!!! I’LL WORK FOR FREE!!! PLEASE JUST WONT SOMEBODY THINK OF MY BOSS’S FORTUNE?!? 😭😭😭

[-] machinya@hexbear.net 22 points 2 days ago

nice, i was starting to get worried when nvidia stock price started going up again

[-] LGOrcStreetSamurai@hexbear.net 32 points 2 days ago

The plagiarism and data theft machines will continue to plagiarize and steal data until the whole apparatus is a hall of mirrors.

[-] AntifaSuperWombat@hexbear.net 34 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

second-breakfast

Pippin: But what about a new AI model?

Aragorn: You already have one.

Pippin: We have one, yes. But what about a second AI model?

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 25 points 2 days ago

Alibaba? The website I bought a repair kit for 2$ that customs wanted to charge me 30$ for? That one? Impossible

[-] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago

And now they'll have an AI to send you more spam emails lol

[-] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 14 points 2 days ago

Holy shit this is not a bit

[-] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 23 points 2 days ago

lol, lmao even

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 22 points 2 days ago
[-] jack@hexbear.net 22 points 2 days ago
[-] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 16 points 2 days ago

Link to the release statement


Not open source (at least at the moment), you can play with it here

[-] Pili@hexbear.net 8 points 1 day ago

So they compared it to Deepseek-V3, not the more advanced R1.

[-] whatdoiputhere12@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago

"500: Internal Error"

guessing the feds took it down

[-] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago

Odd, the link works for me. archive.org link might work?

copy/paste of the releaseQwen2.5-Max: Exploring the Intelligence of Large-scale MoE Model

It is widely recognized that continuously scaling both data size and model size can lead to significant improvements in model intelligence. However, the research and industry community has limited experience in effectively scaling extremely large models, whether they are dense or Mixture-of-Expert (MoE) models. Many critical details regarding this scaling process were only disclosed with the recent release of DeepSeek V3. Concurrently, we are developing Qwen2.5-Max, a large-scale MoE model that has been pretrained on over 20 trillion tokens and further post-trained with curated Supervised Fine-Tuning (SFT) and Reinforcement Learning from Human Feedback (RLHF) methodologies. Today, we are excited to share the performance results of Qwen2.5-Max and announce the availability of its API through Alibaba Cloud. We also invite you to explore Qwen2.5-Max on Qwen Chat!

Performance

We evaluate Qwen2.5-Max alongside leading models, whether proprietary or open-weight, across a range of benchmarks that are of significant interest to the community. These include MMLU-Pro, which tests knowledge through college-level problems, LiveCodeBench, which assesses coding capabilities, LiveBench, which comprehensively tests the general capabilities, and Arena-Hard, which approximates human preferences. Our findings include the performance scores for both base models and instruct models.

We begin by directly comparing the performance of the instruct models, which can serve for downstream applications such as chat and coding. We present the performance results of Qwen2.5-Max alongside leading state-of-the-art models, including DeepSeek V3, GPT-4o, and Claude-3.5-Sonnet.

Qwen2.5-Max outperforms DeepSeek V3 in benchmarks such as Arena-Hard, LiveBench, LiveCodeBench, and GPQA-Diamond, while also demonstrating competitive results in other assessments, including MMLU-Pro.

When comparing base models, we are unable to access the proprietary models such as GPT-4o and Claude-3.5-Sonnet. Therefore, we evaluate Qwen2.5-Max against DeepSeek V3, a leading open-weight MoE model, Llama-3.1-405B, the largest open-weight dense model, and Qwen2.5-72B, which is also among the top open-weight dense models. The results of this comparison are presented below.

Our base models have demonstrated significant advantages across most benchmarks, and we are optimistic that advancements in post-training techniques will elevate the next version of Qwen2.5-Max to new heights.

Use Qwen2.5-Max

Now Qwen2.5-Max is available in Qwen Chat, and you can directly chat with the model, or play with artifacts, search, etc.

The API of Qwen2.5-Max (whose model name is qwen-max-2025-01-25) is available. You can first register an Alibaba Cloud account and activate Alibaba Cloud Model Studio service, and then navigate to the console and create an API key.

Since the APIs of Qwen are OpenAI-API compatible, we can directly follow the common practice of using OpenAI APIs. Below is an example of using Qwen2.5-Max in Python:

Future Work

The scaling of data and model size not only showcases advancements in model intelligence but also reflects our unwavering commitment to pioneering research. We are dedicated to enhancing the thinking and reasoning capabilities of large language models through the innovative application of scaled reinforcement learning. This endeavor holds the promise of enabling our models to transcend human intelligence, unlocking the potential to explore uncharted territories of knowledge and understanding.

[-] whatdoiputhere12@hexbear.net 3 points 2 days ago

tried it on my phone and it works. doesn't like my laptop i guess for some reason

Qwen has always been a good model. I'm excited to see how it runs, especially qwen-2.5-max-coder-instruct:14b if it exists

[-] Des@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago

Can't wait for Temu to reveal they've managed to run an even more efficient AI on this

[-] sempersigh@hexbear.net 13 points 2 days ago
[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 13 points 2 days ago

They're just dunking on us now. niko-dunk

[-] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 days ago

Don't think it "surpassing" Deepseek is much better than it just being cheaper (which it doesn't seem to be), for all practical effects. Though the investor panic might produce another fun shock do NASDAQ and disrupt the financial economy a little bit more.

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