Doordash deserves it's fate (poptalk.scrubbles.tech)

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2 pizzas, a small order of breadsticks, and wanted to splurge and get cinnamon sticks.

Pizzas are a "Buy one get one deal!" at 13 bucks a pizza. Figured what the hell, I'll splurge on desert then with the deal. Get to checkout... hold on a minute.... 50 dollars for pizza?! Wait a minute 80 dollars after fees and taxes?!

Usually I only use Doordash for finding something, then I order direct from the store. I just saw the sweet "buy one get one" deal and thought eh, fine I'm here. Right, that's why I stopped using door dash. I'm not spending 80 dollars on freaking pizza. I'll just go pick it up and spend a quarter of that price.

At least I would have saved the $3 dollar delivery fee. Phew. Thanks DoorDash.

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[-] WhyFlip@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Dweebs can't leave their bubble to actually go pick it up. Fuck these crazy food delivery fees. Fuck the dweebs .

[-] pedz@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago

My sister uses doordash and there's always something wrong. Yet she insists on trying again and again, and I can't understand why.

I have never used them or Uber or others like this, and refuse to do so. They exploit their workers, they charge exorbitant fees, and when something's wrong, it's nobody's fault.

If I want food, I go get it myself. I'm my own delivery boy! And contrary to a lot of people delivering food, I will not park on a sidewalk or in a bike lane.

[-] perniciousanteater@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

The one thing I will say positively about DoorDash is that when something is wrong with the order, it is really easy to report it and receive fair credit in the app instantly.

I've been trying to order directly more often, to avoid fees and tips, and if something is wrong it's almost always a hassle to get any kind of credit without going back to the store in person. I barely want to go in the first place, so having to go back just to get $3 doesn't really make sense.

[-] Underwire@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

That's their model, they make everything easy and take the loss. But after everyone started using them, they can do whatever they want.

I remember 10 years ago a collegue is telling me that that Amazon was great. You order something, it arrives and if there is an issue with the order, you can order a replacement by yourself and it will arrive before even you returned the first item. Few weeks ago I had an issue with an order and you need to contact the customer service for a solution. Chat was not working, you can request a call back but it wasn't working either, they give you a number to call but it isn't working. 4 years ago it was much easier to contact them.

[-] Prime_Minister_Keyes@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Agreed. At some point in your life, time becomes the biggest luxury, so I very much prefer spending a couple of extra bucks on higher quality stuff to the hassle of returning cheaply made junk.

[-] jecxjo@midwest.social 0 points 1 month ago

When you do the math it makes sense that is the cost. None of the pizza places dropped their price when they stopped doing delivery, and the price the private delivery services are doing at least double the pizza place's delivery price.

Most places like a pizza shop are going to split 3 ways between food, staff and other overhead. On a $15 pizza we are talking about $5 split between the cook and the delivery person so lets say $3 is adding into every pizza for delivery costs.

On a $50 purchase you're seeing $10 for delivery from the pizza place and then an additional $20 for the private.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 0 points 1 month ago

Goddamn, liberals are just so fucking gullible.

[-] jecxjo@midwest.social 0 points 1 month ago

Because people are dumb to pay the price for delivery from a private service? Or because they understand how a business is run?

I never use the service because I'm not going to waste money when I can just got get it myself.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Because you believe that it costs $20 per user per use to run a fucking app that still screws over the actual worker, even when you admit that when delivery costs were baked in to the pizzas it didn't increase the price of the pizza that much.

And you believe it simply because that is how much it costs, while also not being aware of the actual reason behind the price point:

The service is worth what people will pay for it.

You rube by two economic standards.

[-] jecxjo@midwest.social 0 points 1 month ago

You're talking about economic systems, that isn't what i was talking about. I was talking about how pricing works. So before you get all hot about it maybe learn the difference

I wasn't making an assumption on the actual cost and who gets the money. I'm just saying people seem dumbfounded when they hear the price of a pizza at $15 and then see a $6 delivery fee from a 3rd party and think OMG thats expensive. You were paying the pizza place half that on ever pizza even when you eat there, and then you have a business who gets no pay for the pizza unless you get it delivered so if course they are going to charge even more for delivery.

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[-] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago

These apps will die slowly until the companies can switch to self driving electric cars.

Once they become common/cheap enough that a pizza place can afford one or two self driving cars doing delivery the prices on these things will absolutely crash.

For pizza, I wouldn't be surprised if it went a step further and the pizza was made and cooked by a robot inside the vehicle while it drives around. Only needing to go restock and recharge every few hours.

Not needing a retail location or almost any staff would make the whole thing super cheap to operate.

In the meantime fuck all food delivery.

[-] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 month ago

I don’t think we will get to a place with self driving cars.

[-] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago

We're already in a place with self-driving cars. They are operating as taxis in a half dozen cities in North America already and Waymo is expanding to like 12 cities total in the next year.

It won't happen overnight, but the aren't science fiction at this point, it's just refinements.

[-] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 month ago

Perhaps there but the UK I can’t see it.

[-] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago

Your government passed a law last year to allow it starting in 2026

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2024/10/contents/enacted

[-] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 month ago

Perhaps I should have been clearer.

I can’t see it taking off, anywhere really, but here particularly as our roads are very different to American roads so I don’t think they’ll have much success outside of maybe a few limited areas.

I also don’t think we will ever get to a point of self driving being very popular. As you would need to get humans to stop driving really as a mix wouldn’t be very safe.

[-] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago

People said the same thing about cars taking over for horses.

People said the same thing about computers.

People said the same thing about the internet.

People said the same thing about cell phones.

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[-] DudeDudenson@lemmings.world 0 points 1 month ago

I wished I could live in this fairy tale world where a driverless car won't be vandalized/stripped for parts

Like you'd be paying 30 bucks to basically have an unsupervised car show up at your location that's totally not gonna result in a lot of trouble and cost a shit ton

[-] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago

You say unsupervised, but they have as many cameras and sensors on them than your average military drone at this point. They can (and will) transmit this data live if they detect negative interactions.

It's not like people don't have unsupervised access to cars without people in them right now. People park and leave their cars alone all the time.

[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Gangs of criminals are hacking big companies all the time and stealing or extorting millions of dollars. If they can hack into Amazon or Target they can hack into Uber and steal fleets of self driving vehicles. Just turn off all the data logging and have them drive to a chop shop or even down to the local port and right into a shipping container.

[-] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago

You vastly overestimate hackers abilities.

[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Most security workers at companies overestimate hackers abilities. That’s why all these companies are hacked all the time and there are tons and tons of data breaches.

The thing very few people understand about hackers is that they can code and they share their hacks as tools with each other on the black market. This means you’re essentially up against the combined effort of all hackers on the black market. When one succeeds, they all succeed. When one piece of server software is hacked, all companies who use that software get hacked.

[-] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago

There's a difference between grabbing data, and controlling physical systems.

Hackers are not regularly taking over power plants or shutting down manufacturing robots.

[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

They are taking over Internet accounts though. They hack people’s social media profiles, Netflix accounts, Amazon accounts etc. They also take down websites via DDoS attacks.

Here’s the thing with fleets of self-driving rental cars: unlike power plants or manufacturing robots, these cars will be on the public Internet. They cannot be airgapped on a private LAN the way a fixed robot in a factory can.

So all it takes to control these things is to hack into the authentication system and steal the credentials for the master control account for the cars. Then they’ll be able to connect to the cara remotely and issue commands to control them, just as the company would for say, ordering them to return to base to recharge, get cleaned up, or be repaired.

That’s the vulnerability. And even if they put all the cars on a VPN it’ll still exist because hackers can and do steal VPN credentials just like any other credential.

By the way, there has been at least one high profile hack of manufacturing robots: the Stuxnet worm which targeted Iran’s nuclear program. Since a fleet of self-driving cars is going to have millions and millions of dollars in value (tens of thousands of cars on the road) it’s going to be an extremely high value target for criminal gangs. While their resources might not be as extreme as the probable Stuxnet creators, they will be very large (and might even gain state actor support from unfriendly countries).

[-] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago

The Stuxnet worm was created by the US government likely with hundreds of people working on it for half a decade or more, not some random hacker group.

There are ways to protect self cars, giving them a command to drive somewhere isn't inherently dangerous. The commands to send them to a destination will not be able to control HOW the car gets there, that will all be done locally on the vehicle self-driving software. It won't be possible to tell the car "go drive into this building" since the driving software simply won't allow for such a request remotely.

The most impactful thing that hackers could do is tell all the vehicles to pull over and stop where they are, which would cause problems of course, but it's hardly the end of the world. Essentially a form of DDOS attack on cars, but it would be detected almost instantly and likely the vehicles with occupants could just override it locally.

What exactly is a hacker group going to do with a fleet of cars that can certainly still be located by the corporation that owns them since they're literally connected to cellphone (and probably satellite these days) networks all the time. There's not that much value for a hacker in obtaining a self-driving car that can't drive by itself because it's not connected to it's network. The resale value for the fancy sensors and chips inside them is pretty much zero.

Again if people want unattended cars they can do this a lot easier than hacking a massive corporation to get access to them.

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