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At the current rate of horrible fiery deaths, FuelArc projects the Cybertruck will have 14.52 fatalities per 100,000 units — far eclipsing the Pinto's 0.85. (In absolute terms, FuelArc found, 27 Pinto drivers died in fires, while five Cybertruck drivers have suffered the same fate, at least so far.)

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[-] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 83 points 1 week ago

I'm guessing that some people at the National Transportation Safety Board are about to get fired by Elon Musk.

[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

Safety belts are a waste of precious money!

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Won't someone think of the shareholders!

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[-] yesman@lemmy.world 61 points 1 week ago

I love Elon Bad posts, but I think it's worthwhile to examine why Elon bad in this case.

Like many reactionaries, Elon's business philosophy is pure tech-bro-libertarianism. And like all libertarians, he's stuck in the neoliberal mindset of less regulation (don't scrutinize) and more efficiency (let me be cheap), in order to create the safe space that industrialists need to ~~extract~~, er create.

He's literally said things like (paraphrasing)

When I see a specification for three bolts I ask: why can't we do it with two?

His transparent reasoning is that if he's allowed to cut corners, he'll save money today and consequences can be dealt with when they arise.

He's following the software model of release a minimally viable product and patch it later. Only instead of user frustration at being beta testers, you fucking die maybe.

[-] paraphrand@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Him and his libertarian friends fuck up left and right. Crashing startups and just getting more money for another. Constant recalls. Blowing up rockets until it works.

Yet they hold the government to a standard of being perfect and high performing with no room for failure. NASA can’t be blowing up rockets. As soon as they do the world comes down on them.

And Trump is the biggest fuckup of all these guys.

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[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 week ago

I think it's also worth noting that Elon Musk is a scammer. Every other word out of his mouth is likely a lie. He's been claiming to already have technologies available for his Tesla cars, his SpaceX rockets, etc, all ready to go and.. it never happened. Tesla full self driving? The Tesla taxis? SpaceX on Mars? The Tesla laughably stupid robots? Even those were faked.

Claims after claims for decades and literally no results

The guy is a full on bait and switch yet everyone seems to lap up everything this scammer says.

[-] x00z@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

You can't use "literally" and "paraphrasing" like that.

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[-] xapr@lemmy.sdf.org 48 points 1 week ago

Cybertruck will have 14.52 fatalities per 100,000 units — far eclipsing the Pinto’s 0.85.

Holy shit, that means the Cybertruck fatality rate is around 17 times higher than the Pinto's!

[-] Greee1911@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

If you read the article is was specifically died by fire. Not any other cause of death.

[-] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 46 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Right but the specific issue with the Pinto was that it would explode into flames on a rear impact, so this is the appropriate metric.

Like deaths from other accidents would skew the numbers anyway because 70s cars were death traps compared to today, but even in that context, the Pinto's explosions were alarming.

Beating it on that isolated metric is a very special kind of achievement.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 22 points 1 week ago

Top of the line in utility sports.

Unexplained fires are a matter for the courts.

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[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Wish I could find data on all fatalities/100,000

[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 5 points 1 week ago
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[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 48 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

...and unlike the Pinto, because we are so deep into fucked-reality-ville, it won't get recalled.

[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 27 points 1 week ago

Ford's reasoning was that it was cheaper to pay out for the injuries and deaths than to change the car. Cybertruck has a much better plot armor, a fanbase that refuses to believe it's crap.

[-] Cyclist@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

I think that fanbase is staying to wane. But who knows, maybe the gas loving Maga rednecks will start buying...who am I kidding, most of them can't afford the ridiculous price tag.

[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 9 points 1 week ago

Not only that, it's not even a proper truck. They could have come up with a standard truck design and used tech and EV to create a new niche that was usable. But no one can tell Elon no, so his 5-year-old self's vision had to be made because it's different. Sometimes different doesn't mean better.

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

the maga crowd has diesel truck attached to their very masculinity, thats never happening.

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[-] frezik@midwest.social 4 points 1 week ago

What often happens in cases like that is people on the edge leave, but those who remain are now distilled insanity.

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[-] psmgx@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

The very real origin of the Fight Club joke about not doing a recall

[-] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago
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[-] atrielienz@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Nah. The Ford Pinto laid the groundwork for the NHTSA's regulatory control of forced recalls. The only way this thing doesn't get recalled for being dangerous is if Musk's D. o. g. e manages to undercut or defund the NHTSA.

Additionally, other countries with better regulatory bodies won't even allow it to be sold or will require mandatory recall of these vehicles which means the end of the cyber truck. They can't even sell them because people don't want them.

The other thing is that insurance companies can absolutely refuse to insure them and if I'm honest, they may be the main reason that the NHTSA doesn't back down from regulating them (insurance companies are a powerful lobby, and they absolutely can countermand the automotive lobby in some cases).

My point is, it's more complicated than just "Musk is a government official now, and historically dangerous cars weren't recalled".

[-] psmgx@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

NHTSA

Project 2025 has explicit targets for reforming NHTSA. It is unambiguously in their sights, just lower on the priority list.

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[-] SphereofWreckening@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago

The thing is a very obvious death trap to anyone that knows simple physics. There are videos testing what happens when a Cybertruck hits a hard wall at certain speeds. That thing didn't crumple at all until speeds greater than 35 mph. And even then it only barely crumples at all. The damage it could produce hitting another vehicle would be catastrophic and fatal.

[-] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

I was driving out of a parking lot yesterday just as a Cybertruck started to pull in off the street from the left. The driver was white-knuckling the wheel and was frantically looking around as I assume he could barely see out of the goddamn thing as he swung so wide he nearly clipped my car. He needed almost the entire driveway to make his turn.

I cannot imagine dropping so much money on something so useless and so hideous.

[-] jdeath@lemm.ee 12 points 1 week ago

well i hate to say this (really i do), turning is actually one of the only strong points about the CT. It can do a u-turn in the same-ish radius as a model 3, much better than most vehicles in its class.

that driver was just a fucking moron

[-] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 week ago

that driver was just a fucking moron

I mean, he bought a cybertruck lol

[-] mombutt_long_and_low@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

I was thinking “What’s that red stu—oh…” Yikes.

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Melted plastic... right? Yup imma say it's melted platic

[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

But it is so financially efficient! It isn't wasting money on safety.

[-] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No shit, it's literally just a big bullet. Or a wrecking ball on wheels.

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[-] JesusTheCarpenter@feddit.uk 9 points 1 week ago

Is it me or are there guts in this picture?

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Hard to tell. The picture was widely used in the media, and they're usually quite careful about that kind of thing. There's something reddish in it, but it could be material from the truck or its contents. One of the photos the police released of his guns had some red foamy material in it, another photo had some stringy red material (plastic?) lying in the road, and there were various red items in the bed too. I'll mark it NSFW just in case.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago

The driver was inside the vehicle at the time, so I'm sure some of that is his remains. But a lot is probably burned seat material and such. It's hard to say for sure.

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[-] thann@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago

But at least its bulletproof!

[-] riodoro1@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago
[-] Nougat@fedia.io 8 points 1 week ago

The Pinto got well known for a couple of reasons.

One, the classic "exploding in a rear end collision." The design flaw here was that in certain rear collisions, the fuel tank would be pushed into the rear differential. Not only could this rupture the fuel tank, it could also produce a spark. Boom. Lots of cars had this same design in the 70s, with the fuel tank low in the rear, right behind the rear differential.

Two, the infamous Pinto Memo, which did a cost benefit analysis that determined it would be cheaper for Ford to not fix the problem, and just settle whatever cases came up. This very clearly inspired the Fight Club recall formula scene. Take note that the car used in that scene is a Lincoln Town Car, produced by Ford Motor Company.

The kicker for the Pinto recall? What they did to fix it:

  • Two sheets of 1/8" plastic, each about 18" square
  • Some long zip ties
  • Layer the two sheets over the rear diff, zip tie them to the axle

That's it. My dad pointed this out to me in his shop some time in the late 80s or early 90s. He had a Pinto in for an oil change or something, "Hey, let me show you this." It was such a hacky "repair."

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[-] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Really took the wind out of my satirical comment that Musk wanted to bring back the Pinto.

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[-] brygphilomena@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

Do they have emergency releases on the outside? I know a locked door of a car with traditional latching mechanisms won't open. But an unlocked vehicle where a bystander cannot render aid in an emergency seems so.... Short sighted.

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