It's the US that are surrendering, not Ukraine nor Europe. This is a defeat for the US, I don't see other countries that could be qualified as being defeated. Russia not yet but we're getting there. With or without the US.
We need regime change in the USA. The global community should work together for this endeavor.
Most of the global community benefits from Trump's government. They aren't looking for a regime change. Western nations and US Eastern allies are the ones that are being betrayed.
Being an American that feels like they no longer have a home, I would like Europe to unleash holy hell upon the US. Do not let this fascicle president dictate what you do for your continent. You were fine before we took over swaths of your countries for their bases, you can be the strong leaders that the West need to fight everything that's going on in your vicinity with Russia, North Korea, and any other rogue nation. I hate to say it, but the US is a part of that sentence as well. The US will not protect you anymore, I have absolutely no faith that the US will step up when you need them the most. Protect yourselves.
And I give trump three weeks to vacate the white House and the presidency.
Or what?
Call his bluff.
American soft power around the globe relies on having those bases on foreign soil.
Military bases and soldiers are the opposite of soft power
Eh, it's at least hybrid. Classic hard power is the use of the military. That can include garrisoning but usually by force, not by permission.
If you think about it from position of China being the biggest threat, then only Asian bases and countries matter. That's why we don't hear much about Trump doing crazy things in that region.
While Europe is important, it should be able to fend for itself. Also Europe joining China is unlikely in short and mid term. So it make sense to spend less money on Europe and focus on Asia.
Also explains the Russia situation. Although culturally Russia is as European as Sweden and Germany, this war has pushed it closer to China than ever. If the conflict lasts longer, then their alignment would be immenent. Personally I'm surprised that they didn't align more. China was being surprisingly passive about the whole thing.
I think Trump will manage to push Europe into China's arms well within the next 4 years at the rate he's going. If Europe can get China to back Ukraine I think that's all it would take at this time.
I don't think so. They are culturally too different. Europe will continue to suck American cock for at least couple decades going forward. That's not to say that economic ties won't increase in the meantime.
Isn't china already heavily invested/investing in Hungary?
Yes China makes big distinction between US and Europe in its rhetoric. And they are working on pulling Europe from USA, but it's early days and it will take time. Lots of time.
In a post on X, formerly Twitter, Finland's Mika Aaltola of the European People's Party claimed that the U.S. "has given us three weeks to agree on terms for Ukraine's surrender," referring to a proposed peace deal aimed at ending the war.
"If we don't, the United States will withdraw from Europe," Aaltola added.
Trump is demanding that Europe hand Ukraine to Russia, or he will hand Europe to Russia. This man is not working for the good of the USA or its traditional allies. He is working against them, destroying Europe, NATO and the USA for the sake of himself, Vladimir Putin and a few Nazi billionaires.
And clearly when he threatens Europe like that they should not for a minute believe that he will not hand them over to Russia if they do what he says. Given that, Europe should tell him to get lost.
I mean, we've all already assumed US capitulation and cessation of any alliance tbh. It only took about two weeks.
Jog on.
Best of luck with China and that supply chain. They're looking at how you're throwing Ukraine under the bus and thinking "Oh hell yes".
I'm confused by what you mean. Yes, if you disconnect from Europe you would absolutely need China's supply chain. And Russia proved it's a very powerful supply chain. Hate it all you want, but without even sending weapons, Russia was able to sustain the war under massive sanctions.
I mean, if Trump actually secures China's supply chain and actually decided war is the best way to resolve Greenland and Panama, well, the world would be completely fucked. There's nothing the rest of the world could do to stop any of this. The horrifying combination of US military, tech and China's production capacity, Jesus fuck that's terrifying.
The worst thing is, this is now a likely scenario. Considering Trump and Putin are both on board, the entirety of humanity is now dependant on Xi not being as power hungry and insane. God this is nightmare fuel.
I kinda doubt China wants to share things with the US. That and I doubt Putin wants the China to be stronger either. I think China would be cool not stepping in the way of the US and Russia so long as they see some opportunities for themselves.
Yeah, but we have to hope as a species that's what China decides. Looking at their history, that's actually likely. But we're basically gambling on a sane decision from the CCP. That's not a place I want to be. Though in fairness, I think most people here would agree with me.
When I stated china is look for opportunities for themselves, I don't imagine it's anything good for us. Regardless of what Xi's china decides, it won't be good for democracy nor us.
I'm just talking about very bad and less very bad. But yes, regardless now the outcome is negative.
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