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submitted 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) by Forester@pawb.social to c/yurop@lemm.ee

Just wondering as an American watching the EU pool resources and mostly work for the same common goals over my lifetime.

To clarify, I'm not saying that this would be a part of the United States of America, but a separate world power.

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[-] Avia_Vik@jlai.lu 14 points 9 hours ago

I truly hope so. And the best time to initiate this project is right now, when all of Europe is facing same issues that unite us

[-] Scrollone@feddit.it 6 points 8 hours ago

I agree with you. But we have a problem that the US didn't have: we all speak vastly different languages.

[-] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 7 hours ago

The US did have that problem, too. There were settlers from all european countries who spoke all different languages, plus natives (albeit that the natives were genocided over time, so their languages were sorted out the other way), and at one point during the constitution process they had a vote on which language should become official. And it almost was german, btw.

[-] Krik@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 hours ago

nd at one point during the constitution process they had a vote on which language should become official. And it almost was german, btw.

That's a modern myth. IIRC there was a newspaper that had to decide to publish either in German or English and they decided in favor of English. The USA doesn't have an official language but de facto it is English.

[-] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 4 hours ago

I looked it up and we're both right and wrong. There was a vote, but it was about printing laws in german, additionally to english prints. And there is no federal official language, but some states codicized english as their official language, sometimes alongside other languages.

However, my point still stands as in the beginning, there were many different languages and they somehow managed to find a common one.

[-] Avia_Vik@jlai.lu 8 points 7 hours ago

Languages are just ways of communication. We will find a way to communicate, its not a problem. We all speak English, French, German or smth else that allows us to speak to most other Europeans

Our real problem are nationalistic movements in many EU countries that oppose EU's further integration

[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 8 points 8 hours ago

Probably not - it’s the continent that invented the term “balkanisation” after all. Also, at the moment the UK is on the outs and tinpot Orban is on the ins, so god knows where that is going.

[-] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I hope for a small core of countries that further integrates their military, which can then later be joined by other countries. If smaller countries like Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Ireland (+ Scotland after their independence) got together in the near future and instead of each rebuilding (I suspect their armies have all been severely underfunded in the last 2 decades) their army separately, build one stronger new army, then they would all be stronger for it.

The eu as it already exists could use some fundamental rule changes to deal with internal abuse. Orban has been a pseudo dictator for years now, and he just needs 1 other eu country to side with him to shield Hungary from real consequences. So what's especially needed is more democracy and less veto powers.

Things like education, culture, social welfare, ... are imo better done on a regional level and thus should not be fully integrated.

Edit: I added the "fully" because I think it would be good for the eu to set out a standard framework for compatibility and/or minimum standards, but the actual implementation should be left to the regions imo.

[-] m0darn@lemmy.ca 9 points 9 hours ago

As a Canadian, could it be rebranded to Western Democratic Union (or something), so we can join? Also it might help UK undo its mistake if it didn't have to admit its mistake.

[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 8 hours ago

Why should we meet you half way? Just move Canada to Europe instead.

[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 8 hours ago

History comes in cycles. We're entering an era of strong nationalism so I can't believe that would happen any time soon. But once the world runs out of oil, the climate is decimated, and population comes crashing down because of restrictive immigration laws, there will be a sharp curve to the left and pro-EU that could lead to more interest in federation.

Or not, and the EU will continue to crumble during the water wars.

[-] jlow@beehaw.org 4 points 9 hours ago

If anything the current trends seem to be more nationalist (and fascist), so I highly doubt it.

[-] EarMaster@lemmy.world 12 points 13 hours ago

I don't think so. Of course it's hard to predict what Europe will look like in 100 years, but I'd like to image the EU more as a service provider for its member states. Maybe the military will be combined and the economy is already very much linked together which will increase. But I don't think the member states will cease to exist as sovereign nations. Europe is far more diverse not only in language but also in culture. That is in my opinion a strong feature of the union as it is a union in diversity.

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 15 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

I hope within a hundred years, the entire globe can unite and we can all just be Earthicans.

Edit: What hateful POS is against worldwide unification?

[-] stardust@lemmy.ca 8 points 10 hours ago

OPA will not stand for continued interference from the inners!

[-] Sausage_Mahoney@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago

Beltalowda!

[-] nooneescapesthelaw@mander.xyz 2 points 8 hours ago

I'll be dead in the ground before I have to share a countrya Lithuanian

[-] banghida@lemm.ee 4 points 12 hours ago
[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 points 11 hours ago

We are now nemesis... Nemeses... Nemesiss?

[-] hexdream@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago

All earthicans are equal. Some earthicans are.more equal than others...

[-] Thavron@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 hours ago

I've always been partial to Earthers (or Terrans).

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 0 points 9 hours ago

Isn't that every nationalist on the planet?

[-] banghida@lemm.ee 6 points 12 hours ago

There are at least a half a dozen countries in the EU with 1000 years of history behind them. I wonder how that weight of history blends with what the modern world requires.

[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 15 hours ago

Well I hope so.

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