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submitted 1 day ago by ranovich@lemmy.ml to c/linux@lemmy.ml

Fuck Windows and Microsoft really. Today I had a meeting call through Teams first thing in the morning so I start my computer 10 minutes earlier than the call because it takes a like 3 or 4 minutes to boot and for Windows to be responsive. Windows decides to apply some past update so it takes 2 or 3 additional minutes which is fine, I am just in time for the meeting call. Well, 10 minutes into the call a notification in windows appears that the computer will restart in 5 minutes and with no option to postpone WTF. Imagine this was an important sales call, an emergency or something else critical, I might be fucked. The computer restarted I started my linux personal computer and I connect my bluetooth headphones to the it but no, they were connected to the Windows computer while it was restarting so I could not just call from it as the microphone started failing a few weeks ago. (I will just replace it, thanks Framework). So fuck my company for using Windows. Fuck Windows for developing such a nightmare OS with so shitty code. This was for sure a patch for a critical vulnerability, like always. And WTF this is Windows for a business, have a fucking super stable branch that does not need patches every other day. I don't care about your updates to the shitty weather widget, just have a fucking working operating system that let's me do my work. Fuck Microsoft monopolistic practices that keeps people and businesses from switching to Linux. There is no better publicity for Linux that Windows itself. Most Linux/GNU distros just let you choose when to update.

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[-] mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

funny how with sooooo many updates, Windows are still very vulnerable. You buy a Windows PC, you better equip Antivirus software too; it is like bread and butter. On Linux and also Mac, you never need to worry about these things.

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[-] CatZoomies@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

If you’re stuck with Windows for corporate-issued computers, the next time this happens you can abort shutdowns in Windows.

Command Prompt:

shutdown /a

Saved me several times over the years.

[-] balder1993@programming.dev 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Also Windows has a button similar to “don’t update this week” or similar.

[-] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 15 points 1 day ago

Go get drunk. You deserve it.

[-] vatlark@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I agree.

I find the Teams app works great on Ubuntu. The Microsoft apps work OK in browser, until you have a lot of collaborators.

I rarely need to switch to windows, so when I do switch I expect to spend an hour doing updates.

[-] INeedMana@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

"Tell me it's Friday without saying it's Friday" ;)

But to the point, yeah, my current job tried to convince me to switch to Windows. I tried, it was miserable experience, it broke in 3 days and all that was even before the current Windows ludicrousness

[-] daggermoon@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

They asked you to install Windows on your personal machine? Do companies not give you a work laptop anymore?

[-] INeedMana@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

No, on work laptop

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Then come up with a better alternative to office 365.

Windows isn't keeping Microsoft around. Its their office software. (and azure)

[-] juliebean@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

what makes their office software so much better than, say, libreoffice? i don't work an office job, and haven't had the misfortune of running windows since i dropped windows 7, but when i did switch, the programs seemed basically the same. office software seemed like a solved problem by then. what new features has microsoft added and convinced people they need that foss options don't have?

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 2 points 21 hours ago

They are extremely integrated into the rest of the ecosystem and are insanely pervasive among 9-5 desk jockies. They aren't gonna relearn a spreadsheet software especially when it doesn't have all the same features as the thing they have been using for 20 years. Not to mention they dont actually give a shit about how much their company is paying for it. The majority of these people dont know what FOSS is and are just using computers because that's what pays their rent.

Libre office is very far from being a drop in replacement for 365 and will most definitely never replace it. At the end of the day its all about userbase. Why do people still use twitter and Instagram even though there are FOSS alternatives that may be even better? Because that's what everyone else uses and most people just dont care.

[-] aghastghast@programming.dev 3 points 1 day ago

Good question. I wish I had a better answer than what I'm about to say.

It just is.

I'm a diehard anti-Windows, Linux-lovin', FOSS crusader myself, but if Microsoft released a copy of MS Office for Linux (as a one-time-purchase), I would buy it today.

For most tasks, you're right, there's not much you can't do in LibreOffice. But the interface is clunkier. Excel makes it easier to make good-looking spreadsheets. And as much as it hurts me to say, looks matter when dealing with nontechnical folks.

Plus there are some things that are just more intuitive in Excel, like certain kinds of charts and graphs. There are some advanced features of Excel that don't even exist in LibreOffice. Like chart styles and certain team collaboration features.

Compatibility is... okay... For the most part, but having it all guaranteed by a bunch of paid devs would be really nice.

There is a more detailed list here

[-] Majestic@lemmy.ml 1 points 20 hours ago

It just does more and more easily. It styles things better, makes them more professional looking with a click. It can do certain things like nested tables in Word that Writer cannot do. Excel is much more powerful than calc, it has more functions, more refined functions, it's easier to work with, has more and prettier chart options. And oh you can create tables in Excel that are sortable. There are many other cases.

Now for the last two the die-hards will whine and whinge about how you should just use a software for creating charts and a database but sometimes you just want to make something quick, sometimes that's overkill for what you need. Grandpa doesn't need to learn how to deal with databases just to make a sortable list of books he's read, he can just use excel and the Libreoffice people telling him to pound sand because they won't add that feature to calc because it doesn't belong there means he and many other people don't use calc, they use MS office. Likewise the Libreoffice defense force saying of making graphs and charts to just use dedicated software, well many corporate types, business people, white collar workers don't understand those things and may not be able to get them installed, what they understand, what they already have is MS office and it works and has lots of pretty, professional, very slick options which don't make them look poorly in office meeting presentations.

Just on the sortable tables front, I can't tell you how many times I've run into hobby stuff that's based on an excel file with tables that rely on being sortable. From stat sheet creators to mini-databases (<2000 rows) on some game created by fans.

It's useful for those who need the very bare basics of being able to open and read basic MS word documents, csv files, excel files, and to write an occasional letter. But the moment you need to start doing beyond basic formatting or dealing with files that have that, you run into issues.

You have this gulf of usability, it's useful for people at the very bottom of the basic needs pole, barely computer literate types who think facebook is the internet and it's useful for highly technically competent people who can and do use other dedicated software, often without GUIs to solve problems, it's a frustration for the middle 60% of the population who are more than basically computer literate but not scientifically trained, not CS or IT.

[-] furrowsofar@beehaw.org 3 points 1 day ago

Actually staff and commercial vendors are keeping Windows. Plus no one gets fired for choosing MS products. That IT staff are all Windows certified means Windows will always be the answer. That users are similarly trained and need certain Windows software will mean they demand it too.

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

I'd be so bold as to say about 90% of windows business users are only using it for office/excel/outlook

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[-] StrangeAstronomer@lemmy.ml 1 points 21 hours ago

I've been saying this for 30+ years, but no-one wanted to listen.

[-] Habarug@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago

I also use Windows at work, and it is driving me insane. The updates can be annoying, but it is mostly just how fucking slow it is. Directories routinely take mulitple seconds to load, and I don't understand why. I also just prefer Gnome in general, but I do think the Window's user interface as a whole is pretty good when it works. I will say, WSL works well for the things I want to run "in linux", and it integrates very nicely with VS Code.

I can actually install Linux if I want. They provide instructions for how to roll it in to Intune etc, and I will probably try it, but keep a dual boot to Windows available for when I really need it. The problem is that my job is married to Office, which doesn't have native linux support at all. We ues OneDrive, Outlook, Teams and collaborative Word, Excel and Powerpoint. Most of these probably run okay enough in browser, but especially for big Word documents where we need to make sure formatting is okay (a nightmare in Word even without multiple users editing the document at once), I am not sure if it works well enough. Rclone can be used to sync to OneDrive. For now I just try to avoid making office documents whenever possible, sticking to markdown, latex and csv files etc., store as much as possible on our i.e. our GitLab instance instead, and hopefully it will it will be easier to switch over time.

I also wonder what would happen if Donny wakes up one day, decides he wants to invade Europe or something and all our Office 365 licenses suddenly stop working. We would have a lot of other bigger issues of course, so it's not the most critical issue.

[-] RedSnt@feddit.dk 3 points 1 day ago

Directories routinely take mulitple seconds to load, and I don’t understand why.

Probably thumbnail generation, and I was going to say file indexing, but surely that runs in the background. Baloo in KDE is a lot less intrusive anyway.

[-] spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago

I was going to say file indexing, but surely that runs in the background.

Assuming indexing is enables, yes.

[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Come work at Meta, we have Fedora Linux laptops :)

Edit: Maybe we should crowd source a list of companies that let you use Linux. I've worked at startups and straight up told the CEO "I'm installing Linux" and that has worked, but corporate companies you can't get away with that

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[-] hiddenSin@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

At work we have everything windows. When getting my work laptop with windows, I just intalled PopOs on it. I do have the problem of not able to use AOVPN, so I can't work from home. But since I need to go close to work, why even work from home.

[-] Gloria@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago
[-] zurohki@aussie.zone 7 points 1 day ago

I remember hearing during lockdown that sales of business pants had tanked, but sales of business shirts hadn't.

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[-] spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago

why even work from home.

The freedom of not wearing pants at your desk

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[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

I've been pretty lucky that I've been able to use Linux on my work laptop the past 3 jobs in a row. It really helps that we use Linux production in and when I tell them that I haven't used Windows in nearly a decade, they're usually willing to let me work with Linux.

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