Baldur's Gate 3 and Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2 show that the future of RPGs is in games way more ambitious, weird and unexpected than anything Bethesda and Bioware have to offer (www.pcgamer.com)

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The joke of these games is that they aren't notably more weird than titles Bethesda and Bioware were famous for turning out. Hard to get more weird than Fallout's more esoteric vaults or Morrowind's bizarre cults and exotic cultures.

BG3/KC:D have been, if anything, a direct successors to the old classics. They're faithfully propagating the fundamental ideas these old titles represented in a way the new studios are unable to reproduce.

Also, honorable mention to the poor bastards who released Disco Elysium and then got their studio stripped out from underneath them by their financiers. Absolute gem of a game and you should feel free to pirate it without a twinge of guilt.

[-] ultrafastsloth@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago

Just finished Disco Elysium few days ago, watched the credits roll from start to finish to see all the great people working on it, such a great game…now I am sad for what happened to them, I didnt know that

[-] addicity@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

It’s funny and sad knowing that Bethesda once were the company making weird and ambitious RPGs.

Morrowind is one of the weirdest and most ambitious games of that era.

[-] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I wish there were more new sci-fi RPGs of that quality.

I do hear CP2077 is good now and I keep meaning to play it.

TBH I'll probably end up enjoying Starfield once I get around to trying it as well.

[-] PraiseTheSoup@lemm.ee 1 points 4 weeks ago

I've had cyberpunk since launch and the only thing that has improved is stability. The game is still a hodgepodge of half baked RPG systems, most of which aren't even necessary to interact with. No amount of polish can change the fact that it's a turd underneath.

[-] sexual_tomato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 weeks ago

I can tell you haven't booted the game up recently because they completely redid the perk system and cyberware not too long ago.

CDPR has been atoning for the sin that was their failed launch for years. In my opinion, the game is a good game now.

[-] PraiseTheSoup@lemm.ee 1 points 4 weeks ago

That was over a year ago and I have. It's a bandaid on a dumpster.

[-] Jumi@lemmy.world 0 points 4 weeks ago

CP2077's story is nice but short (for an RPG these days) but the meat is in the world and side missions.

[-] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 0 points 4 weeks ago

Is it one of those "play the whole main story and then focus on the side content" situations or "Save the final mission for later because its a proper ending" situations?

[-] pyrha@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 weeks ago

the latter, the main story's final quest lets you know before you start it that's it's a point of no return (though you can also just reload a save from before you do it)

[-] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 0 points 4 weeks ago

Yes! BG3 and KC2 devs made amazing games but for some reason decided to have them take place in the most generic, boring medieval/fantasy setting.

I want a pirate RPG, or sci-fi, heck even a hardcore Mario CRPG.

[-] Galle_@lemmy.world -1 points 4 weeks ago

It's BECAUSE of the generic, boring medieval fantasy settings that they were successful.

[-] ArtemisimetrA@lemmy.duck.cafe 0 points 4 weeks ago

I've heard people take that approach with Starfield and still be very disappointed. If it's space you want and are ok with creating your own story, Elite Dangerous is getting a pretty big revival

[-] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 0 points 4 weeks ago

Its mostly just that I want a Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim with a sci-fi setting. A solid story, lots of side-quests, and a dynamic world that reacts to the player. I'd probably enjoy a modern metropolitan criminal setting as well for an RPG like GTA's settings but Elder-Scrolls/3D-Fallout gameplay but you never see that at all.

Space is cool though.

[-] Ashtear@lemm.ee 1 points 4 weeks ago

I don't think it's a super common opinion, but I really liked Starfield's main story. That said, it completely fails on the dynamic world front. You might be better off with Cyberpunk for now.

[-] Galle_@lemmy.world -1 points 4 weeks ago

I don't believe you. That game exists, it's called Starfield, and it failed specifically because of its sci-fi setting and for no other reason.

[-] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago

I've not gotten around to trying it yet, I've already got like 6-7 games on my plate ATM on various devices. I actually suspect I wont hate it but I hear its pretty meh.

Hopefully Bethesda can turn it around with DLC/updates though. I hear modding is still in its infancy too so maybe we'll get something in that area down the road too.

Also I figure if I wait hopefully Starfield will get a VR edition (or maybe a mod) and that might be when I really want to jump in.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

People understandably love to hate Oblivion and Fallout 3, but I feel the side quest writing had heart, like groups of devs got to go wild within their own little dungeons. Their exploitable mechanics were kinda endearing.

…And I didn’t get that from Starfield? I really tried to overlook the nostalgia factor, but all the writing felt… corporate. Gameplay, animation, Bethesda jank without any of the fun. I abandoned it early and tried to see what I was missing on YouTube, but still don't "get" what people see in that game.

If you want a big walking sandbox in that vein, I feel like No Man's Sky would scratch the itch far better, no?

Meanwhile, BG3 and KC2 completely floored me. So did Cyberpunk 2077, though I only experienced it patched up and modded. Heck, even ME Andromeda felt more compelling to me.

[-] variouslegumes@reddthat.com 1 points 4 weeks ago

Oblivion is my favorite Elder Scrolls. I actually played it again recently and thought it held up pretty well. I'm a sucker for wandering lush bucolic landscapes though.

[-] cuteness@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 weeks ago

I got Cyberpunk in December and KCD2 in February. At this point I’m convinced I’ve spoiled the entire RPG genre for myself for the next decade. I can’t imagine playing 2 great games back to back like that again.

[-] YungOnions@lemmy.world 0 points 4 weeks ago

If you're even remotely interested in Warhammer 40k, the Rogue Trader CRPG is excellent

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2186680/Warhammer_40000_Rogue_Trader/

[-] Galle_@lemmy.world -1 points 4 weeks ago

Rogue Trader is actually good, but people who eat up medieval fantasy slop like BG3 will probably hate it.

[-] Galle_@lemmy.world -1 points 4 weeks ago

Could somebody please explain fo me how either of these two aggressively cliche and generic games are in any way "ambitious, weird, and unexpected"?

[-] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 0 points 4 weeks ago

Are you serious? Do you need help understanding the definitions of ambitious, weird, and unexpected?

Do you need a run down of all generic clones of games bioware and bethesda have released in recent times?

[-] curiousaur@reddthat.com 0 points 4 weeks ago

They are literally sequels. 2 and 3. That removes any chance of them being unexpected now doesn't it you dunce.

Ambitious, sure; if your definition of ambitious is delivering a complete game at release.

Weird? If you think these games are weird I'll absolutely punish your eyeballs with just some stuff on steam that will leave these two games looking absolutely mainstream.