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[-] lmuel@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 months ago

Ladybird is certainly interesting to watch, it's improving quite quickly.

I know people on here hate it because of one (admittedly not at all nice) gender issue in the codes comments but like... seriously?

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago

Any details on that comment? Curious...

[-] mke@programming.dev 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'll give my take on it. Something many fail to grasp is that it's not about a singular thing, you need to look at the context. Let's go through some of it:

  • Andreas Kling, lead developer of (now-)Ladybird, rejects PR that changes "he" to "they" in documentation.
    • This is the most frequently mentioned example of Andreas' issues.
    • The "he" in question referred to any user, where "they" is already commonly used instead by everything from companies, to news, to the Linux Kernel docs (an arguably much more important software project).
    • Andreas' exact words: "This project is not an appropriate arena to advertise your personal politics."
    • This code was eventually merged 3 years laters in a different PR, this time described as "Grammar fixes" (it changes even more pronouns to gender neutral than the original did).
    • Someone got his attention and tried to explain to him why that's not cool; he doubled down, assuming the worst from the original contributor.
  • Andreas Kling likes interacting with far-right, queerphobic, or otherwise controversial persons.
    • Here's him calling Brendan Eich, known homophobe, kicked out of Mozilla for... being a homophobe, now CEO of the foremost crypto browser, infamous for its bravery and attracting like-minded fans, "Senpai."
    • Here's him welcoming Vaxry, infamous for the toxic community of his hyprland project to the point of being kicked out of the freedesktop.org project. He's also on record saying "I do believe there could be arguments to sway my opinion towards genocide". There is a print of this, somewhere. I will find it and put it here.
    • Here's him doing a talk with Bryan Lunduke, tech's premier transphobe anti-DEI, anti-Woke conspiracy theorist with a classic far-right victim-complex.
      • Trudging through Bryan's slop wears on the mind, but here's another example of him being ridiculous. Highlight of the article: "There are multiple Software and Computer organizations which have declared their support for the Trans fetish over the last few years..."
        • Read anything by Bryan, then look into what he's talking about. There are at least as many examples, as there are times Bryan has touched upon LGBT topics or linux in recent years.
      • Here's relatively prominent KDE developer Niccolò's hour long video detailing how Bryan is a horrible, lying "journalist," and how people need to stop giving him a stage.
    • He also often interacts with other various degrees of right-leaning users on twitter, a platform he describes as full of positive energy, unlike Mastodon.
      • For fun, I would like to share with you, dear reader, my favorite comic about the state of twitter.
  • Other funny things about Andreas that could be irrelevant in isolation but... I mean, look at all this.

Would I look at that PR and say I'm not touching Andreas with a ten-foot pole? Maybe that's excessive. Would I ignore all the rest and say he's just misunderstood? Hell no. For all its issues, I do hope Ladybird succeeds as a new browser engine because the internet needs more of those. But I'm not touching or otherwise supporting it unless Andreas gets his shit sorted.

[-] beSyl@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 months ago

Oh wow.. He seeks to be ant alt right in disguise. God damn it.

[-] mke@programming.dev 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I honestly can't tell if there's a disguise. Maybe there isn't! He seems to genuinely and stubbornly believe in the apolitical-centrist stuff, which you wouldn't think him capable of since he's so intelligent when it comes to programming... but programming intelligence is not necessarily applicable anywhere else.

[-] Colloidal@programming.dev 1 points 2 months ago

There’s Servo too. So ladybird can crash and burn for all I care.

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[-] KeraKali@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

I'm gonna need some names because I only recognize like, two.

[-] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago

Going from lawful to chaotic, good to evil, we have:

  • Gecko (Firefox, Seamonkey, and derivatives)
  • Servo
  • Libweb (Ladybird)
  • Links2 (as well as ELinks and other forks)
  • WebKit (used in a lot of stuff, namely Safari and GNOME Web)
  • Goanna (Pale Moon and Basilisk)
  • QtWebEngine (Konqueror, Falkon, and qutebrowser)
  • Blink (Chromium, Brave, and derivatives)
  • Trident (Internet Explorer, old versions of Maxthon, old versions of Avant, and any homemade browser created with Visual Studio).
[-] 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 3 months ago

Huh, I didn't know MSHTML as used in IE was also called Trident. I thought Trident was specifically early Edge before they switched to Blink.

[-] ChrisG@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

If I recall correctly, Project Trident was M$'s ambitious attempt at a new proprietary browser to replace IE before abandoning it and just reskinning Chrome as 'Edge'

[-] cerement@slrpnk.net 0 points 3 months ago

(until they get a new lead dev, Ladybird is definitely not any type of “Good”)

[-] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 0 points 3 months ago

100%, this is either uninformed or some apologia

[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

What's going on? I've seen this new browser engine referenced recently a decent bit but I have no info beyond 'it's new and exists'.

[-] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 months ago

the lead dev is a freeze peach absolutist. he's said some ignorant shit about trans people and when people said "hey, let's adjust this language" he was like "let's not get political"

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[-] Hiro8811@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Why is ladybird chaotic good when it's not even out yet

[-] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago

Neither is Servo.

Chaotic good because it's an entire (almost functional) engine built from scratch, and without any corporate backing.

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

And is developed by a bad person.

[-] shortrounddev@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

How so? I know literally nothing about ladybird

[-] mke@programming.dev 1 points 3 months ago

It's a little complicated, but it doesn't look good. If you're interested, I wrote a comment about it.

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